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Post by bloodybeaver on Nov 13, 2020 17:13:04 GMT -5
Those who believe Brushy was indeed The Kid: At the end of the day what are your top 3 main reasons for believing so?
The top 3 "OK, this guy was Billy" facts? The most compelling evidence? Or the top 3 most convincing arguments?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by kerry on Nov 13, 2020 21:57:56 GMT -5
Hi Bloody Beaver....you got Clay Allison so right -he will live on for ever as the real Judge Holden and so much more. Brushy got so much right -BTK would have to prove he was Brushy..I believe DNA will prove Brushy fathered a child in Old Fort Sumner in 1880/81.
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Post by bloodybeaver on Nov 15, 2020 8:27:14 GMT -5
Hi Bloody Beaver....you got Clay Allison so right -he will live on for ever as the real Judge Holden and so much more. Brushy got so much right -BTK would have to prove he was Brushy..I believe DNA will prove Brushy fathered a child in Old Fort Sumner in 1880/81. Thanks! Wait so there's a Brushy/Billy kid from Ft Sumner?
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Post by kerry on Nov 15, 2020 12:11:35 GMT -5
Yes- another with DNA waiting to be collected and matched with Brushy and putting him in the right place at the right time - in the right living body. Allusion to such a child is unmistakable in Paulita's 1926 interview with Burns.... BTK had survival skills like Clay that made him almost immortal -except to the Gods.
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Post by bloodybeaver on Nov 15, 2020 14:03:32 GMT -5
Yes- another with DNA waiting to be collected and matched with Brushy and putting him in the right place at the right time - in the right living body. Allusion to such a child is unmistakable in Paulita's 1926 interview with Burns.... BTK had survival skills like Clay that made him almost immortal -except to the Gods. Do you have any links where I can read more on this, by any chance?
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Post by kerry on Nov 15, 2020 15:41:03 GMT -5
Sorrry Beaver -not good with links-its called the Santa Rosa supplement part 2 by a descendant of the Anaya family...they also have one of the photos that have emerged after almost 100 years and this wedding photo is the nicest and is the same man as the other recent photos depict -only the Fort Sumner tin type that Paulita called a bad likeness -looks a little weird. Look at Paulita's words which she insisted Burns record accurately -the little girl living 8 years...was really a boy mascarading as a girl for his own protection.It was feared he would be killed - psychopathic killers killed Fountain and his son and seemed to find satisfaction in killing Tunstall's prize horse as well!
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Post by Elwood on Nov 15, 2020 22:59:08 GMT -5
Sorrry Beaver -not good with links-its called the Santa Rosa supplement part 2 by a descendant of the Anaya family...they also have one of the photos that have emerged after almost 100 years and this wedding photo is the nicest and is the same man as the other recent photos depict -only the Fort Sumner tin type that Paulita called a bad likeness -looks a little weird. Look at Paulita's words which she insisted Burns record accurately -the little girl living 8 years...was really a boy mascarading as a girl for his own protection.It was feared he would be killed - psychopathic killers killed Fountain and his son and seemed to find satisfaction in killing Tunstall's prize horse as well! Is this the link you are referring to about the Santa Rosa supplement part 2, on youtube? Santa Rosa NM Supplimental 2 of 2 Billy The Kid interview
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Post by kerry on Nov 15, 2020 23:48:17 GMT -5
Thanks Elwood....yes that is the link. The Hispanics did feel vulnerable in the new country they suddenly became part of -second class citizens -although Pat Garrett had lived amongst them and married two of their own -they were afraid that they would become a scapegoat if Pat's story came undone.They created a back up cover story that the man shot by Garrett was unidentifiable due to being hit in the face by a shotgun blast at close range.The recollections from Jesus Silva via Chino -also have the shotgun scenario...and mentions BTK dressing as a girl fooling visitors to Fort Sumner -obviously this wasn't BTK himself..but was his son -Pat.
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Post by chivato88 on Nov 16, 2020 6:10:12 GMT -5
I can never get tired of watching this video, this is good stuff!
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Post by leeb on Nov 16, 2020 15:05:41 GMT -5
I can never get tired of watching this video, this is good stuff! I've watched that a few times myself and that big old cigar interferes with the auto cue. Shouldn't have to be prompted if you are telling the truth.
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Post by Wayne Land on Nov 17, 2020 14:56:52 GMT -5
Leeb,
Are you saying he is reading from a prompter? I see no evidence of that whatsoever. Even if he "is" being prompted, that doesn't mean his story isn't true. Assuming "he" believes everything he is saying is true. It must also be clear that doesn't make it true. The stories he tells were supposedly handed down to him from his father and/or grandfather, etc. and he obviously believes the stories. That doesn't make them true "or" false and whether he is being prompted doesn't make his stories true "or" false.
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Post by leeb on Nov 18, 2020 15:13:25 GMT -5
Yes Wayne I believe (personal opinion) that he's reading from an auto cue. If I was narrating a family story I wouldn't need prompting. You champion the fact that passed down stories don't cut the ice as they change per annum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 21:08:33 GMT -5
I was really looking forward to reading other people's main 3 reasons for believing in Brushy. I'm still keen.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Nov 19, 2020 0:18:12 GMT -5
I was really looking forward to reading other people's main 3 reasons for believing in Brushy. I'm still keen. I believe in Brushy, for he told the truth when he registered for the draft.
1. Brushy said his name was Oliver Pleasant Roberts when he registered for the WWI draft. 2. Brushy's niece, Geneva Roberts Pittmon, said that Brushy's name was Oliver P Roberts, but she did not know what the P stood for. 3. Both Brushy and his niece said his birthday was August 26.
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Post by kerry on Nov 19, 2020 0:31:39 GMT -5
The prerequisite for Brushy being BTK - is he not being shot and killed by Garrett..which Garrett's behaviour makes most likely. Brushy just knew way too much about BTK 's entire known life -often detailed facts known to very few. Then again Brushy would go left field against traditional narrative with contrary claims that only the man on the spot could make -regardless of how it would affect his credibility. Next - there is no identifiable character with a parallel existence throughout the LCW and BTK's subsequent existence in and around old Fort Sumner.Siringo was mouching about for some unknown purpose but doesn't add anything or anyone to the mix - everyone is accounted for. Deathbed confessions have always had some merit as the confessor can clear his mind without fear or favour.Brushy was approaching 70 years as a man condemned to death...he was not generally known as BTK -he was at the end of his life and he wanted to only clear his name .Only BTK could avoid a death sentence while in captivity otherthan by pardon or suicide...no one else has done it - so why did he walk pass two men armed with rifles at midnight then continue on to enter Maxwell's bedroom asking whose there? Not BTK not Brushy.
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