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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 28, 2021 18:06:27 GMT -5
Brushy specifically identified the soldiers used by Dolan to win the battle of Lincoln as Buffalo soldiers... A fact largely ignored by history yet not so if you were there - on the business end of their handiwork...losing a battle you should have won. "Saga of Billy the Kid", Walter Noble Burns, 1926 Page 123 and 124 mentions Colonel Dudley and black troopers during the three day battle.
Did Brushy read that book?
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Post by kerry on Jul 28, 2021 18:27:57 GMT -5
If Brushy did read that book -he would have had to wait almost 50 years for it to be written...Brushy could describe the inside of the McSween house -Burns was 50 years too late.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 28, 2021 19:19:10 GMT -5
If Brushy did read that book -he would have had to wait almost 50 years for it to be written...Brushy could describe the inside of the McSween house -Burns was 50 years too late. That's amazing. Is there another description of the floor plan of the McSween house for comparison?
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Post by kerry on Jul 28, 2021 19:52:13 GMT -5
If Burns wanted to learn about the LCW and BTK - Susan McSween was available (I doubt if he would have asked her about the house in Lincoln) Instead Burns was drawn by the idea of romance between BTK and Paulita Maxwell...despite being suspicious of his intentions - Paulita gave an excellent description of life in old Fort Sumner and the few recollections she had of BTK -with a warning that if he changed her story she would take legal action.
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Post by chivato88 on Jul 28, 2021 20:04:16 GMT -5
Burns was aware that Billy fathered at least one child but was forbided to talk about it, so who was the mother or mothers? One I suspect is a girl in the Anaya family and maybe Paulita, just maybe...
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Post by texas truth teller on Jul 28, 2021 20:40:38 GMT -5
If Burns wanted to learn about the LCW and BTK - Susan McSween was available (I doubt if he would have asked her about the house in Lincoln) Instead Burns was drawn by the idea of romance between BTK and Paulita Maxwell...despite being suspicious of his intentions - Paulita gave an excellent description of life in old Fort Sumner and the few recollections she had of BTK -with a warning that if he changed her story she would take legal action. Since there is apparently no other description of McSween's house, how do we know that Brushy's description is correct?
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Post by kerry on Jul 29, 2021 3:30:16 GMT -5
Burns was aware that Billy fathered at least one child but was forbided to talk about it, so who was the mother or mothers? One I suspect is a girl in the Anaya family and maybe Paulita, just maybe... Any off- spring then we have DNA...potentially heaps of it to prove Brushy was in Fort Sumner in late 1880.. I hope too it can dispell the Paulita Maxwell romance myth. The big clump of hair in the Fort Sumner museum said to be BTK's -could tell us where Brushy got his hair cut....we do need Brushy's DNA to establish beyond a doubt he was in the relevant places at the relevant times -until then the agony continues about whose got it right.
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Post by devorerd on Jul 29, 2021 6:49:11 GMT -5
If Burns wanted to learn about the LCW and BTK - Susan McSween was available (I doubt if he would have asked her about the house in Lincoln) Instead Burns was drawn by the idea of romance between BTK and Paulita Maxwell...despite being suspicious of his intentions - Paulita gave an excellent description of life in old Fort Sumner and the few recollections she had of BTK -with a warning that if he changed her story she would take legal action. Since there is apparently no other description of McSween's house, how do we know that Brushy's description is correct? TTT..How do we know it isn't true? Brushy also described the Lincoln County Courthouse to a 'T' as it existed before all the major renovations to facility, is there a book that he read that out of? Brushy claimed that he received a scarf from Dulvina Maxwell in exchange for the tintype photograph. It wouldn't be until several years after Roberts death that a letter by Jim East to Charlie Siringo recalls this exact incident having transpired. Which book did he get that out of?
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Post by nmjames on Jul 29, 2021 11:21:51 GMT -5
On page 195, The Saga of Billy The Kid, Walter Noble Burns, you will find the story of Deluvina giving Billy the scarf and Billy giving her his only photograph.
Burns had wrote to W. H. Burges on June 3, 1926. I have copies of the letters between Burns and Burges and also Jim East letter that you are talking about.
I do not agree that Brushy knew the Courthouse to a T and Brushy didn't know the time of day that Olinger took the other prisoners to eat. Brushy said at noon time Olinger went across the street with the other prisoners. (page 42, Morrison's book) Burns also got it wrong, page 240 he states noon time. The correct time was around 5 or 6 in the afternoon. Olinger took the other prisoners to supper.
Other things Brushy got wrong: In Morrison's book on pages 5 and 6. He shows Morrison a mark on his right hip, Brushy told Morrison the scar was from the time he run into the street at Lincoln to take the guns off the body of Sheriff Brady. Matthews shot him and the shot went through the flesh of his right hip and then hit Wayte. Billy was hit inside the left thigh and it was not Wayte (Waite) that went into the street with him. If any one did it was Jim French. I think Billy was the only one that went out to get his rifle that Brady had taken from him in Feb. Jim French was shot by Jack Long down the street almost a hour later when he and the others were leaving Lincoln. You will find the story almost like Brushy told it on page 105 and 106 in Burn's book.
nmjames
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Post by devorerd on Jul 29, 2021 13:19:38 GMT -5
Thank you for the information on "SAGA", 1926. On the courthouse, I can see your point, but it really doesn't address the actual layout and most importantly, Roberts knew that it was a ricocheted bullet that killed Bell (is there a book reference for that?)I think it's easier to confuse when an event occurred but when you actually killed someone, that is engrained in long term memory. For reference just look at the Green River killer, not the sharpest tact, but with all the women he senselessly murdered, he remembered the details extremely well (sic I know!). Is there another book reference for how Brushy knew that for the murder of Buckshot Roberts that Ira Leonard got the charges thrown out? Thanks nmjames
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Post by kerry on Jul 29, 2021 13:35:05 GMT -5
- didn't the local doctor check BTK at some stage and determined it was a through wound ? Hard to imagine Big Jim running into the street or hiding under floor boards - going by the Croquet picture..he wasn't called big for nothing....can imagine Jim being an obvious target riding out of town..
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Post by nmjames on Jul 29, 2021 14:07:14 GMT -5
Kerry,
Doctor Ealy kept a diary and stated, someone ran out to pick up either Brady's or Hindman's gun and was shot as he stooped over, not though the bowels as reported, but through the left thigh. The man came walking through my door and I treated him by drawing a silk handkerchief through the wound and binding it up. Dr. Ealy also states that Sam Corbett had sawed a hole under a bed and laid the man there with a gun in each hand.
You can find this in Ruth Ealy's book Water In A Thirsty Land by Ruth R. Ealy.
As to Jim French, you can find on page 159, History of the Lincoln County War, where Gregorio Wilson said that Billy the Kid received a wound on the inside of his left thigh. He also states that Jim French was seriously wounded by John (Jack) Long as the others, except Billy the Kid rode out of town.
You can also find in the Weekly New Mexican, 20 Apr. 1878 Sat. Page 2 where it states April 1st. W.H. Antrim and Jim French wounded: the first severely and the latter reported fatally. In doing research at the Haley in Midland, TX. I came across where Frank Coe said that Jim French was taken out of Lincoln and hid in a house over night. They next day he was taken to Frank's place. Frank moved him to another house up the canyon. He gave the peoples name but I don't remember it off the top of my head.
I hope this helps.
nmjames
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Post by nmjames on Jul 29, 2021 14:27:41 GMT -5
devoured,
In Pat Garrett's book he states that Bell was hit under the right arm, the ball passing through his body and coming out under the left arm. He said the ball had hit the wall on Bell's right, passed through his body, and buried itself in an adobe on his left.
I wish Garrett had said the north wall or south wall. I remember the mark being on the north wall but the way Brushy tells it, it was on the south wall.
The other thing is I don't think Brushy knew where the armory was in the courthouse. You need Morrison's book to see what I am talking about.
You ask about Ira Leonard, I need to go through some of my books but I know in the 1930's articles about it were in some newspapers.
nmjames
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Post by kerry on Jul 29, 2021 14:39:49 GMT -5
Thanks for that....all that tourist talk about BTK hiding under the floor of Tunstall's store! Brushy also claimed to be carrying a bullet in a lower leg that Morrison could feel under the skin -maybe he shot himself by accident like Jesse Dingus -or just too quick to shoot Union soldiers(after the war) like Clay Allison.
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Post by devorerd on Jul 29, 2021 21:19:21 GMT -5
devoured, In Pat Garrett's book he states that Bell was hit under the right arm, the ball passing through his body and coming out under the left arm. He said the ball had hit the wall on Bell's right, passed through his body, and buried itself in an adobe on his left. I wish Garrett had said the north wall or south wall. I remember the mark being on the north wall but the way Brushy tells it, it was on the south wall. The other thing is I don't think Brushy knew where the armory was in the courthouse. You need Morrison's book to see what I am talking about. You ask about Ira Leonard, I need to go through some of my books but I know in the 1930's articles about it were in some newspapers. nmjames Appreciate the diligence. IMO, while possible that brushy was an astute reader of the aforementioned books, the probability that he had access and the drive to read these and then save it all up to come out at the end of his life whether we believe him or not seems like a very big stretch. Especially on the newspaper front. Cheers
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