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Post by sparky58 on Oct 15, 2022 20:46:55 GMT -5
The majority of the slight difference in appearance of the images(weight and ear) are from the shoulder being angled away from the camera. The head is slightly angled different, but the difference you talk of is from the angled body. Do you agree you are looking at the ear connection you disagree with from a different vantage point? Should it be a mirror image? We both know
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Post by antonio on Oct 15, 2022 21:24:23 GMT -5
The view is obscured by the angle. The jaw and neck mesh into the view of the ear with the angle. Trust me, I already know it’s him. You won’t be breaking my heart. Aren’t you the guy who was hyping up some eBay listing for 10 million? Hyping? No. It isn’t mine. I just posted it as someone putting it on eBay thinking it was btk. And here we post pics like you of supposedly pictures of Billy the kid. Because it’s fun to talk about and discuss about.. But you took the fun out of it with your condescending replies. Good luck proving it’s Billy. Ears alone are against you. |
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Post by sparky58 on Oct 15, 2022 22:35:38 GMT -5
The ears are part of the proof. I called you out on the eBay post because it was an obvious hater move. Do you understand anything I’m talking about with the angling of the body? You are looking at more of a side view of his body his neck his ear. His whole body is cocked away from the camera. Do you understand you are looking at him from a different perspective? Do you understand instead of looking at a body parallel with the camera mine had a body that cocked? Do you own a mirror? Simple answers my man.
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Post by leeb on Oct 15, 2022 23:44:21 GMT -5
The lobe appearance in that scan is not exactly true. Here is a purer form of the tintype. The view of the ear in my tintype is an angled face. The known Billy is straight forward. The body is also angled away from the camera. The known BTK is a straight forward stance. His shoulders are parallel with camera lens. There is nothing but black hair behind that ear. My tintype has skin of the neck behind the lobe and again it’s angled to the camera. BTK didn't have black hair. |
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Post by sparky58 on Oct 16, 2022 8:16:39 GMT -5
My life has become answering to the same two guys. Are these the two smartest guys of your group? Is that why they post the most comments? Nobody has provided me with any facial recognition work, so I’m guessing none was done by anybody but me. The disputes over the lobe shape. Lobe separation. That’s a dispute that can be answered just by googling Billy the Kid. There are many different depictions of the known BTK tintype. There are all scans of scans. Minor details get added and lost just in the transfer of the image. By your argument every depictions would show each other is not BTK because the detail is different in every one. What’s next? Hair color. This is getting ridiculous. There weren’t many tones available for coloring hair when these tintypes were taken. I suppose his eyes weren’t tannish gray also huh? I’m a firm believer BTK had tannish gray eyes. Did anybody do any facial recognition? Is there any other opinions besides the two gentleman who posted negative comments from the start?
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Post by leeb on Oct 16, 2022 9:16:15 GMT -5
Ok your tintype is definitely BTK. How many noughts do you want on the cheque.
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Post by cassandra jane on Oct 16, 2022 12:08:36 GMT -5
My life has become answering to the same two guys. Are these the two smartest guys of your group? Is that why they post the most comments? Nobody has provided me with any facial recognition work, so I’m guessing none was done by anybody but me. The disputes over the lobe shape. Lobe separation. That’s a dispute that can be answered just by googling Billy the Kid. There are many different depictions of the known BTK tintype. There are all scans of scans. Minor details get added and lost just in the transfer of the image. By your argument every depictions would show each other is not BTK because the detail is different in every one. What’s next? Hair color. This is getting ridiculous. There weren’t many tones available for coloring hair when these tintypes were taken. I suppose his eyes weren’t tannish gray also huh? I’m a firm believer BTK had tannish gray eyes. Did anybody do any facial recognition? Is there any other opinions besides the two gentleman who posted negative comments from the start? You need to calm down and wait for Wayne’s analysis. I don’t think the ear entirely matches either and the clothes trip me up because they don’t make sense in my head for any Billy photographs that have been authenticated in the past, but you need to relax the defensiveness and wait for whatever Wayne might produce because he’s the one that does the facial analyses here. |
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Post by leeb on Oct 16, 2022 12:18:24 GMT -5
My life has become answering to the same two guys. Are these the two smartest guys of your group? Is that why they post the most comments? Nobody has provided me with any facial recognition work, so I’m guessing none was done by anybody but me. The disputes over the lobe shape. Lobe separation. That’s a dispute that can be answered just by googling Billy the Kid. There are many different depictions of the known BTK tintype. There are all scans of scans. Minor details get added and lost just in the transfer of the image. By your argument every depictions would show each other is not BTK because the detail is different in every one. What’s next? Hair color. This is getting ridiculous. There weren’t many tones available for coloring hair when these tintypes were taken. I suppose his eyes weren’t tannish gray also huh? I’m a firm believer BTK had tannish gray eyes. Did anybody do any facial recognition? Is there any other opinions besides the two gentleman who posted negative comments from the start? You need to calm down and wait for Wayne’s analysis. I don’t think the ear entirely matches either and the clothes trip me up because they don’t make sense in my head for any Billy photographs that have been authenticated in the past, but you need to relax the defensiveness and wait for whatever Wayne might produce because he’s the one that does the facial analyses here. There is only 1 authenticated picture of the Kid. And without being rude Wayne is not an authority on facial analysis. |
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 16, 2022 17:02:06 GMT -5
 OK. I have to chime in here. I believe the question about earlobes is a non-starter because we don't really know the actual shape of the earlobes in the Dedrick tintype. Take a look at these three close ups of Billy's right earlobe (the left lobe is not visible in the tintype). Over the years, the tintype suffered a great deal of oxidation causing dark splotches all over it. There are two spots on that right earlobe that may well be examples of that deterioration. In the first image I have numbered them 1 and 2. Now one or both of those dark spots might be oxidation "or" they might be indicative of the actual shape of the ear, so in the center image I've shown what the shape of the ear would be if those spots were "not" deterioration. The result is pretty ridiculous. Obviously, at least number 2 is deterioration. We can all agree to that. But what if number one is also deterioration? The third image shows what the shape of the ear would be if both those spots weren't there. Since we don't know for a fact that those are both examples of derivation of the image, then we don't know for certain what the shape of the earlobe actually was, and thus the comparison of earlobes is indeed inconclusive. I've tried before to present this concept. It is often dismissed by folks who have a copy of the tintype that has been edited (photo-shopped) to remove blemishes where the person doing the work just assumed that spot #1 was part of the original image. One needs to be very certain in comparing any photo with the original tintype, that they are looking at the "original" tintype with all it's blemishes, simply because we don't really know what is a blemish and what is part of the picture. |
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 16, 2022 17:16:17 GMT -5
Here are side by side images of the original tintype (flipped horizontally to correct for "reverse image"), the pic that Sparky58 has shared (also flipped) and a picture of Brushy Bill as a younger teen. These have all been sized so that the distance between the pupils is the same. First I show them without distractions, and then with my tracing of the face in the Dedrick tintype overlaid on the other two pics. As explained in the previous post, I don't consider the earlobe differences a determining factor because the shape in the Dedrick can not be definitely determined. I still say there is a remarkable resemblance in all three of these.   |
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Post by leeb on Oct 17, 2022 11:54:30 GMT -5
There's gonna be a remarkable resemblance when you're comparing the original with a doctored version of the original.
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 17, 2022 12:05:06 GMT -5
Leeb, as creator and host of this message board I’m going to insist you explain that comment. What do you mean by “doctored”? Nothing was doctored here.
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Post by leeb on Oct 17, 2022 14:37:57 GMT -5
Friends who have been researching BTK for years agree that the sparky tintype isn't right. Where's sparky?
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 17, 2022 21:07:29 GMT -5
Leeb, as creator and host of this message board I’m going to insist you explain that comment. What do you mean by “doctored”? Nothing was doctored here. l think you have misunderstood Wayne. I'm sure that the sparky tintype is a doctored copy of the original. What I was saying is that you're comparing a fraud to the original without knowing. Absolutely no malice to your findings. There is absolutely no way that photo could be a "doctored" version of the Dedrick. The fact you even suggest that shows you think it is a close match. |
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Post by RonBk on Oct 18, 2022 1:22:40 GMT -5
l think you have misunderstood Wayne. I'm sure that the sparky tintype is a doctored copy of the original. What I was saying is that you're comparing a fraud to the original without knowing. Absolutely no malice to your findings. There is absolutely no way that photo could be a "doctored" version of the Dedrick. The fact you even suggest that shows you think it is a close match. Leeb is probably suggesting that the photo presented by Sparky has been doctored. Why would he write "the sparky tintype" if he was referring to the Dedrick tintype? |
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