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Post by sparky58 on Oct 14, 2022 16:00:02 GMT -5
I’m guessing it passed everybody’s own facial recognition techniques. We all know the tech on the apps is flawed. The one I use scales the faces off the forehead. Do I have to explain the flaws in that. How bout we limit the comments to people who have done the facial recognition this.
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Post by antonio on Oct 14, 2022 16:33:55 GMT -5
No I don't think so. The earlobes. I can't get past it.
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Post by RonBk on Oct 14, 2022 16:56:30 GMT -5
There is a good deal of resemblance in the upper part of the face so its interesting for sure. But I must admit Im far from convinced. Like Wayne mentioned the face appears too narrow. In my opinion the jaw and cheekbones are way too narrow to be the same guy. Maybe the jawbones could change a bit with age, but probably not that much. Cant be that many years apart. Not impossible its Billy but I think probably not.
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 14, 2022 19:57:11 GMT -5
There are some remarkable similarities. Other than the much more narrow lower face, it is a near perfect match. Also has the same lower right shoulder as the Dedrick tintype. I’ve never found a photo that was as close a match except for photos of Brushy. Hmmm? I do think the narrow face could be because of age and/or weight gain. I’m not saying I’m convinced it’s him. I’m just saying I’m convinced it “could be”.
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Post by RonBk on Oct 15, 2022 2:23:16 GMT -5
Brushy did not have a narrow face in his younger years, quiet the opposite:
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Post by chivato88 on Oct 15, 2022 5:27:58 GMT -5
The narrow face could be the result of days or weeks without eating. Perhaps the photo was taken around the time Billy escaped to Arizona? At that time I do not think that he ate properly (he was on is own), probably did just to survive. The long walks must have kept him slim as a toothpick. Just my opinion.
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Post by DanJohno on Oct 15, 2022 5:36:17 GMT -5
Maybe even though his lips are closed his jaw is slightly open which causes the cheeks to suck in a bit.
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Post by sparky58 on Oct 15, 2022 10:22:22 GMT -5
Here’s a better scan if there’s still a question of whether or not this is a real tintype. Apologies for my comments yesterday. Past frustrations with consulting an online forum on stuff we’re at play. Please keep in mind if you do facial recognition analysis on my tintype that the face is turned slightly more than the known BTK and the chin is slightly raised higher in the known tintype. Minor face rolling needs to be considered. Including ear placement. The face does look skinnier, but you are looking at less of face in my tintype.
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Post by sparky58 on Oct 15, 2022 11:34:04 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s been addressed yet. Billy the kids eyes were at different angles. My tintype matches on the eyes. There’s a lot to my image that can be called smoking gun.
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Post by leeb on Oct 15, 2022 11:50:29 GMT -5
The narrow face could be the result of days or weeks without eating. Perhaps the photo was taken around the time Billy escaped to Arizona? At that time I do not think that he ate properly (he was on is own), probably did just to survive. The long walks must have kept him slim as a toothpick. Just my opinion. Do you think an orphan on the run with no friends, family or money would take the time to pose for a picture? Which obviously aren't taken for free.
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Post by chivato88 on Oct 15, 2022 11:56:31 GMT -5
The narrow face could be the result of days or weeks without eating. Perhaps the photo was taken around the time Billy escaped to Arizona? At that time I do not think that he ate properly (he was on is own), probably did just to survive. The long walks must have kept him slim as a toothpick. Just my opinion. Do you think an orphan on the run with no friends, family or money would take the time to pose for a picture? Which obviously aren't taken for free. Ive never said it was him, and you make a good point
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Post by sparky58 on Oct 15, 2022 14:17:54 GMT -5
He reiterates my point that these forums become the loudest persons opinion. Then loudest opinion then becomes taken as fact. The discussion is whether or not the image is Billy the Kid and your arguing whether or not Billy would get his photo taken. Not here for speculation.
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Post by sparky58 on Oct 15, 2022 14:27:40 GMT -5
It impossible to say say the faces are drastically different in weight. The faces are turned at different angles. The known tintype is facing forward. My tintype has slightly turned face. Look in the mirror and turn your face. Does it appear smaller. Your are also seeing the neck at an angle. The appearance should not be exactly the same. I agree Billy looks slightly skinnier. Not drastically skinnier. These forums become a who’s on first routine. These guys are saying “I’m not saying it’s him, but if it was he would be on the run.” Who’s on first. I think I don’t know was on second or was that the right fielder. You fellas done the facial recognition? Can you post it?
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Post by sparky58 on Oct 15, 2022 14:50:29 GMT -5
The similarities were mentioned between the images. There are some obscure details to Billy the Kids face. Those of us who have put time into learning facial recognition know ears are key in making a positive identification. The ears match. Billy has big ears with one sticking out further than the other. Both images have the same exact ears. Billy the Kid has eyes cocked at different angles. Mine matches the cocked eyes. Don’t forget the nose. I think he is skinnier. Not drastically as mentioned. I don’t think weight is a deal breaker in this case. I don’t think the appearance difference is grounds for for speculating situations and then saying it’s not him because you speculate he wouldn’t be a part of your speculation. Are you guys speculators as your day job?
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Post by sparky58 on Oct 15, 2022 14:54:46 GMT -5
For those of you who are learning facial recognition. It’s all in the ears. Here to teach the world. I give you Billy the Kid.
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