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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Aug 2, 2020 16:30:17 GMT -5
"The True History of Billy the Kid by Harold T. Bolieu – July 6, 2020
by Harold T. Bolieu"
No doubt he is a dedicated BtK historian.
Info from Amazon, other books by Bolieu:
Fleeting Shadows: Bk. 1 Jungle Stalkers
Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 19:37:07 GMT -5
"The True History of Billy the Kid by Harold T. Bolieu – July 6, 2020 by Harold T. Bolieu" No doubt he is a dedicated BtK historian. Info from Amazon, other books by Bolieu: Fleeting Shadows: Bk. 1 Jungle Stalkers Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots I guarantee if people look at the fine print in the book the words "historical fiction" will be somewhere. |
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Post by Elwood on Aug 2, 2020 20:03:27 GMT -5
"The True History of Billy the Kid by Harold T. Bolieu – July 6, 2020 by Harold T. Bolieu" No doubt he is a dedicated BtK historian. Info from Amazon, other books by Bolieu: Fleeting Shadows: Bk. 1 Jungle Stalkers Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots I guarantee if people look at the fine print in the book the words "historical fiction" will be somewhere. Until someone reads the book and gives us report about it, we won't know. Here is some of what he states in the book: "This is a work of nonfiction". "These events and dates I have put forth in this book, are true and are put together from stories told to my grandfather Lewis and grandmother Susan Bolieu, my great aunt Lilly and great uncle Jim Emsley, who made notes of the stories as they were being told by Mr. William Henry Roberts himself, who at the time had two witnesses to prove who he was, and were taken over the space of thirty years, from the summer of 1909 thru the summer of 1947. " "These transcripts, faded, torn and smudged from time and water damage, were rescued by myself and my uncle George Fannet in 1968, from where they had been stored many years before in an old dilapidated trunk, after a water pipe burst one night, in an old garage, just before it was torn down. " "I present this story to the world to prove that Mr. William Henry Roberts was, as he claimed, Billy the Kid. " |
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Post by Elwood on Aug 2, 2020 20:32:45 GMT -5
"The True History of Billy the Kid by Harold T. Bolieu – July 6, 2020 by Harold T. Bolieu" No doubt he is a dedicated BtK historian. Info from Amazon, other books by Bolieu: Fleeting Shadows: Bk. 1 Jungle Stalkers Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots I guarantee if people look at the fine print in the book the words "historical fiction" will be somewhere. A check on findagrave.com shows some of the key players in this book: Louis N. Bolieu (1877-1973) was a security guard at a U.S. Air Force Base in Texas and had resided in the San Antonio area for 85 years. www.findagrave.com/memorial/177741656/louis-napoleon-bolieuJames Nathan Emsley (1873-1957) www.findagrave.com/memorial/43118065/james-nathan-emsleyhis wife, Sarah Lillie Stewart Emsley (1872-1955) www.findagrave.com/memorial/43118090/sarah-lillie-emsleyAll of this is new to me, but appears worth checking out; if for no other reason than to refute it. |
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Aug 3, 2020 0:02:29 GMT -5
The author was born in Harris County, TX.
His grandfather. Louis Napolean Boleau, was born in Val Verde county, TX, 28 Aug 1884. Louis, age 15, was boarding and going to school in Tom Green County in 1900. Louis was a resident of Bexar County when the 1910, 1920, 1930, and 1940 census was recorded. He was a farmer in 1910 and 1920; a plasterer in 1930; and a carpenter in 1940.
It is well known that Brushy spent almost all of his time in Bexar County except for those days when the census was recorded and he had to take Uber to get back to Van Zandt County to provide information for the census.
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Post by MissyS on Aug 3, 2020 20:56:03 GMT -5
So the book “The True History of Billy the Kid“ by Harold T. Bolieu is probably fiction because the author wrote other books on different topics, and or because the author’s grandparents were in a Census living in Bexar County and would mean it difficult knowing Brushy Bill, and therefore also made it impossible Brushy had told them things and they took notes?  Just wondering if these are the only reasons to disbelieve the book? The book may be untrue?, but I personally don’t want to believe the book is untrue based only on those reasons stated. I believe it could be possible that Brushy had tried to reach out and tell his secret to persons before Morrison discovered him, and this book may confirm that? There may be details of Brushy’s accounts that may differ slightly from what he told Morrison also, so the book is quite interesting. Thank You Elwood for posting about the book. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 19:02:45 GMT -5
Let's assume that it's allegedly non-fiction. What if what he told these people was contradictory to everything he basically told Morrison? Even IF some of it matched up with Morrison, or even most of it, there being even the tiniest of contradictions to the Morrison account will show Brushy Bill Roberts was a pathological liar.
Now, personally, I think this is historical fiction. What is the genre? Taking genuine people and places in certain time periods, and creating a fictional scenario out of those people and places and events.
I could write a story about my long dead grandfather that is completely untrue and unsubstantiated, but use dates and times and other deceased individuals to tie up the fictional story to make it seem plausible.
Now, mind you I will grant the author this much. Knowing what I know about Brushy Bill Roberts, it seems accurate to assume that he was claiming to be Billy The Kid as early as the 1920s. Whether he was or wasn't is immaterial. But what isn't immaterial is that this man was talking and talking a lot, and it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination that he told some contrived version of the story that would later become the story he told William Morrison.
However, I have an objection to the whole thing and that is the fact that Brushy's death was all over the national news and Morrison too. If there existed someone else with the story, and other possible tid bits of evidence at his disposal, why didn't he come out and confirm or deny the claims of Brushy Bill Roberts or reach out to Morrison?
Why is it that Brushy himself never tell Morrison he already previously tell his story in full to this man? Why is it that this man's name never came up in conversation one iota? After all Brushy name dropped every chance he got so why not mention this person?
I'm probably being a party pooper here, but this author reminds me somewhat of W.C. Jameson who wrote about Brushy but also pushed the narrative that Amelia Earhart didn't die but lived life well beyond, as well as pushed the narrative John Wilkes Booth lived well beyond too, as well as countless treasure hunting books. When you have a track record of believing everything there is, or that's the impression that you give, it's not good.
I'd like to be wrong, of course, but if it is being pushed as the genuine article then it needs to be cross examined intensely. If this man actually has the notebooks, then he needs to show that they exist and be dated to the approximate time.
Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all 😊
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Post by kerry on Aug 20, 2020 1:05:15 GMT -5
Brushy goes out on a limb for the two most dramatic moments of the BTK story -the escape from Lincoln jail and the Maxwell house shooting...no eye witnesses saw what happened to Deputy Bell -but it is clear he wanted out of there quick--- because he had been disarmed .
Six eye witnesses at Fort Sumner July 1881....one told his family that Pat Garrett shot the wrong man in Pete Maxwell's bedroom and that he had shot the real BTK that night.Deputies Poe and Mckinley guarding the steps to the porch-were taking by surprise when Pat's victim slipped past them but Mckinley was ready when BTK appeared and he got a clear shot at Brushy .
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Post by leeb on Aug 20, 2020 11:11:12 GMT -5
Brushy goes out on a limb for the two most dramatic moments of the BTK story -the escape from Lincoln jail and the Maxwell house shooting...no eye witnesses saw what happened to Deputy Bell -but it is clear he wanted out of there quick--- because he had been disarmed . Six eye witnesses at Fort Sumner July 1881....one told his family that Pat Garrett shot the wrong man in Pete Maxwell's bedroom and that he had shot the real BTK that night.Deputies Poe and Mckinley guarding the steps to the porch-were taking by surprise when Pat's victim slipped past them but Mckinley was ready when BTK appeared and he got a clear shot at Brushy . Had Bell been disarmed? I personally favour that there was a gun left in the privy. |
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Aug 20, 2020 11:39:37 GMT -5
Brushy goes out on a limb for the two most dramatic moments of the BTK story -the escape from Lincoln jail and the Maxwell house shooting...no eye witnesses saw what happened to Deputy Bell -but it is clear he wanted out of there quick--- because he had been disarmed . Six eye witnesses at Fort Sumner July 1881....one told his family that Pat Garrett shot the wrong man in Pete Maxwell's bedroom and that he had shot the real BTK that night.Deputies Poe and Mckinley guarding the steps to the porch-were taking by surprise when Pat's victim slipped past them but Mckinley was ready when BTK appeared and he got a clear shot at Brushy . This scenario is hypothetical. There is no credible evidence that Brushy was in Lincoln County. Just the story he told, and events he described (that had been published in 1926 by Walter Noble Burns). |
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Post by kerry on Aug 20, 2020 12:18:51 GMT -5
With BTK chained to the floor near the middle of the room ...the stairs in a corner...BTK being pulled down by the chains while covering deputy Bell....accidental discharge.The angle is there - so too an indentation in the wall on the stairs.A ricochet is always a possibility -no less so than with large slow moving pistol bullets in a confined space of hard surfaces. Not as romantically satisfying as a gun in the privy or a large bullet sized hole in the wall - but that's Brushy's account and it works for me.
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Post by leeb on Aug 20, 2020 13:02:32 GMT -5
With BTK chained to the floor near the middle of the room ...the stairs in a corner...BTK being pulled down by the chains while covering deputy Bell....accidental discharge.The angle is there - so too an indentation in the wall on the stairs.A ricochet is always a possibility -no less so than with large slow moving pistol bullets in a confined space of hard surfaces. Not as romantically satisfying as a gun in the privy or a large bullet sized hole in the wall - but that's Brushy's account and it works for me. I think you'll find that the bullet hole in the wall in the stair well was added after |
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Post by kerry on Aug 20, 2020 16:09:51 GMT -5
Totally agree Leeb....the indentation from the ricochet is obviously at the top of the stairs opposite Brushy's position -and sadly the bullet was carried outside by Deputy Bell.Not as controversal as the bullet hole in Jessie James' wall -thank goodness! Cheers for that....
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Post by kerry on Aug 21, 2020 23:34:46 GMT -5
Brushy was in left field when he claimed he was hit twice in a gun fight subsequent to Garrett shooting a man entering Pete Maxwell's bedroom ...Yet 50 years before he made that claim-- Kip Mckinley had told his family --no only did Pat Garrett shoot the wrong man --but also that he -Kip- had shot another man soon after and that he believed this man was the real BTK..I think that confirms Brushy's story in spades -confirmation by the man who was undeniably there and who actually shot Brushy!
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Post by Wayne Land on Aug 22, 2020 10:49:40 GMT -5
Kerry,
I'm very curious if you can tell us where you found the information that McKinney said he had shot another man and thought it was BTK. I've seen similar before but it wasn't suggesting McKinney was saying two different men were shot. Either way, I wish we had some provenance on exactly what McKinney said and to whom. Thanks for the post.
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Just wondering if these are the only reasons to disbelieve the book? The book may be untrue?, but I personally don’t want to believe the book is untrue based only on those reasons stated. I believe it could be possible that Brushy had tried to reach out and tell his secret to persons before Morrison discovered him, and this book may confirm that? There may be details of Brushy’s accounts that may differ slightly from what he told Morrison also, so the book is quite interesting. Thank You Elwood for posting about the book.
