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Post by leeb on Jun 17, 2021 12:51:19 GMT -5
Who was the suspicious stranger? And if Billy Barlow was hanging about it wouldn't of bothered Brushy because that was his imaginary friend. Just asking.
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Post by kerry on Jun 17, 2021 19:45:55 GMT -5
John Poe was in Fort Sumner under cover during the day .. he was uknown and new no one. He was asking questions as innocently as possible but felt the inhabitants were suspicious -which they were....Silva said he had told BTK when he entered town that there had been a suspicious stranger in Fort Sumner during the day. Silva also said in the 1920's during a newspaper interview - that at the time there was a cattle detective in town making a nuisance of himself -if so he would have been working for Chisum (Poe worked for Canadian River Cattlemen) If not -he was a bounty hunter...either way he was Billy Barlow.This is why Poe said immediately after the shooting that Garrett had shot the wrong man -not because he knew what BTK looked like -but because he knew such a man would not have walked up to them asking questions -he said that if the man was BTK -both he and Garrett would be dead.When Poe had to accept the senario that the man Garrett shot was BTK - he said it was nothing less than devine intervention....not a very reassuring comment unless you are religious.
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Post by kerry on Jun 17, 2021 22:05:52 GMT -5
Of course you don't have to be religious to believe in Devine Intervention --- you coulde be a Mason. There was another man in Fort Sumner in or about July 1881. ..he also had worked for Chisum...he also at that time received a through bullet wound just above the heart--what are the odds John Miller was Billy Barlow ?
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Post by devorerd on Jun 18, 2021 3:22:59 GMT -5
Of course you don't have to be religious to believe in Devine Intervention --- you coulde be a Mason. There was another man in Fort Sumner in or about July 1881. ..he also had worked for Chisum...he also at that time received a through bullet wound just above the heart--what are the odds John Miller was Billy Barlow ? Interesting thought, so then was the pine box empty?
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Post by kerry on Jun 18, 2021 5:54:13 GMT -5
One account that got circulation was that the corpse was dark-skinned and had a beard...another consistent with the first was that there was a spare body available at the time in Fort Sumner (a sheep herder who had recently died) So there was definately a body in the coffin but it was neither John Miller or BTK....when Garrett had to make a hasty visit to Fort Sumner a short time afterwards to ensure the grave had not been disturbed -he returned satisfied it hadn't and that no one had removed the trigger finger -it must have been grim times for Pat...he had his subtefuge going on but was himself the victim of deception.
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Post by devorerd on Jun 18, 2021 8:24:51 GMT -5
One account that got circulation was that the corpse was dark-skinned and had a beard...another consistent with the first was that there was a spare body available at the time in Fort Sumner (a sheep herder who had recently died) So there was definately a body in the coffin but it was neither John Miller or BTK....when Garrett had to make a hasty visit to Fort Sumner a short time afterwards to ensure the grave had not been disturbed -he returned satisfied it hadn't and that no one had removed the trigger finger -it must have been grim times for Pat...he had his subtefuge going on but was himself the victim of deception. Is there an artifact on Garretts return to check on the grave, my assumption is that it came from a book? Good stuff, thank you!
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Post by Elwood on Jun 18, 2021 15:01:06 GMT -5
One account that got circulation was that the corpse was dark-skinned and had a beard...another consistent with the first was that there was a spare body available at the time in Fort Sumner (a sheep herder who had recently died) So there was definately a body in the coffin but it was neither John Miller or BTK....when Garrett had to make a hasty visit to Fort Sumner a short time afterwards to ensure the grave had not been disturbed -he returned satisfied it hadn't and that no one had removed the trigger finger -it must have been grim times for Pat...he had his subtefuge going on but was himself the victim of deception. Is there an artifact on Garretts return to check on the grave, my assumption is that it came from a book? Good stuff, thank you! Some speculation on pgs. 170-172 in "Trailing Billy the Kid" by Philip J. Rasch, 1995.
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Post by dsessom on Mar 25, 2022 16:16:59 GMT -5
I'm not sure this will interest anyone or not, but my great, great grandmother on my mother's side was Ellen Casey Moore, the sister of Lily Casey Klasner. Both of them knew William Bonney very well, as he was employed by my 3rd great grandmother, Ellen Casey, for a short time as a ranch hand. Their whole family lived near Lincoln, New Mexico on the banks of the Rio Hondo from about 1868 until 1882. Ellen's husband, Robert Casey is considered by some as the first casualty in the Lincoln County War. He was shot and killed in Lincoln on August 2nd, 1875 by a man named Bill Wilson who claimed Bob Casey owed him $8. After Robert Casey was murdered, his wife Ellen and children took over running the Casey ranch. The Casey family became acquainted with John Tunstall around 1877 and became friends, and at about the same time, William Bonney was hired to help at the Tunstall ranch, and also helped the Casey's as well.
To make a long story short, William Bonney was not killed by Pat Garret. My great grandmother Cora Moore who passed in 1988 when I was 18, had mentioned that when Ellen Casey (Who was Cora's mother in law), and her children William, Robert, Lily, Ellen, and John, moved from the Rio Hondo, New Mexico to Toyah, Texas in 1882, William Bonney came with them to both offer protection against Indian depredation and also to get himself out of New Mexico. It's worth mentioning that grandma Ellen Casey also had a warrant out for her arrest, issued by Pat Garrett, for allegedly stealing cattle. (Which she actually did, sort of. She had sold her cattle to someone else, but took off with them to Texas)
This is just word of mouth, handed down through the generations, but I never knew my great grandmother to fib about anything, and when she would tell me about these type things, she always did it in a lowered voice, as if she was telling a secret.
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Post by chivato88 on Mar 26, 2022 8:21:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure this will interest anyone or not, but my great, great grandmother on my mother's side was Ellen Casey Moore, the sister of Lily Casey Klasner. Both of them knew William Bonney very well, as he was employed by my 3rd great grandmother, Ellen Casey, for a short time as a ranch hand. Their whole family lived near Lincoln, New Mexico on the banks of the Rio Hondo from about 1868 until 1882. Ellen's husband, Robert Casey is considered by some as the first casualty in the Lincoln County War. He was shot and killed in Lincoln on August 2nd, 1875 by a man named Bill Wilson who claimed Bob Casey owed him $8. After Robert Casey was murdered, his wife Ellen and children took over running the Casey ranch. The Casey family became acquainted with John Tunstall around 1877 and became friends, and at about the same time, William Bonney was hired to help at the Tunstall ranch, and also helped the Casey's as well. To make a long story short, William Bonney was not killed by Pat Garret. My great grandmother Cora Moore who passed in 1988 when I was 18, had mentioned that when Ellen Casey (Who was Cora's mother in law), and her children William, Robert, Lily, Ellen, and John, moved from the Rio Hondo, New Mexico to Toyah, Texas in 1882, William Bonney came with them to both offer protection against Indian depredation and also to get himself out of New Mexico. It's worth mentioning that grandma Ellen Casey also had a warrant out for her arrest, issued by Pat Garrett, for allegedly stealing cattle. (Which she actually did, sort of. She had sold her cattle to someone else, but took off with them to Texas) This is just word of mouth, handed down through the generations, but I never knew my great grandmother to fib about anything, and when she would tell me about these type things, she always did it in a lowered voice, as if she was telling a secret. You great great aunt's book is one of my favorites, you should be proud of what your family has accomplished. Its the first time that Ive heard the Kid making the trip to Texas with Mrs Casey, very interesting. The death of her husband might have been provoked by Murphy, apparently Wilson spilled the beans before dropping at the end of the rope. Welcome to the board!
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