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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2017 19:16:21 GMT -5
yes what think happened is on July 14, 1881 Billy Barlow was a relative of brushy bill (billy the kids) i think possibly billy balow was the real oliver p. roberts
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Post by Wayne Land on Jun 11, 2017 9:49:53 GMT -5
Billy Barlow was killed in 1881. The real Oliver P. Roberts was only 2 years old at the time. So your theory isn't really possible. But I do like your "thinking outside the box".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 10:39:49 GMT -5
hmm.. im thinking here who was billy barlow
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 17:53:37 GMT -5
ok possibly it was a relative of brushy /billy
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 14, 2017 16:10:23 GMT -5
Thinking outside the box. Was Billy Barlow an alias of Billy the Kid? Was Brushy Bill Roberts an alias of Oliver P. Roberts? Just sayin.
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Post by Wayne Land on Jun 15, 2017 14:02:53 GMT -5
Just sayin' "no".
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Post by Scot B rscotbishop70@gmail.com on Jun 16, 2017 19:28:41 GMT -5
Pat Garrett didn't kill the Kid ..First thing Lew Wallace would of wanted was proof of the Kids death.When outlaws were captured or killed at that time .The first thing they did was display the body and take a picture .Neither happened with the Kids supose body. One of the men with Garrett is recorded as say "Pat you shot the wrong man". killed at night in the dark and buried the next day.. hard to believe the most famous outlaw in the arizona teritory was so quickly handled... I think Lew Wallace was a man of his word to a extent and conjoured up a way to pardon Billy without the public knowing...I think Garrett ,the Kid and Wallace as well as the two with garett and a few others were in on it..Those that loved Billy would of wanted what was best for Billy and they played their part well and gave Bill a chance at life... I think the meeting between Garret and the Kids brother joe was to explaine the plan and keep the ledgend alive..The state of new mexico would lose money if the truth ever surfaced thats why the current governor would not or has not issued that pardon.Because he cant issue a pardon to a well protected lie that didn't actually die. They will never assist to prove the truth because it would shift history away in parts to Hico Texas.......
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 16, 2017 21:46:20 GMT -5
"hard to believe the most famous outlaw in the arizona teritory was so quickly handled..."
Congress created the New Mexico Territory September 9, 1850. Congress created the Arizona Territory February 24, 1863.
Billy the Kid was killed in 1881 in the New Mexico Territory.
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Post by jmr on Dec 5, 2017 23:35:54 GMT -5
I've not made up my mind one way or the other, but I do not buy the theory that Billy and Garrett were somehow in on the fix together, either with the escape from Lincoln or a faked death, nor do I think that Billy walked thru Ft Sumner alone at night with only a knife. Tom & Charlie were dead and based on his track record, wouldn't BTK have been not only armed, but also chomping at the bit for revenge? Especially if he heard Garrett and co. were in town? The whole story of that night just doesn't add up, I can accept that Billy was shot by Garrett but I have trouble believing he was taken by surprise. I can accept that Billy got away, but have trouble believing that it was a fix or even a cover up, there were too many people there to keep it hidden for this long. Not to mention, even if Billy sees his chance to get away clean, what about getting even? The LCW was one thing, but two friends being ambushed & killed is something else entirely. Just rambling I guess...what a profound mystery...
Mr Wayne Land thank you for hosting this fascinating website, and everyone's invaluable contributions. The wealth of information compiled here is remarkable!
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Post by Wayne Land on Dec 6, 2017 0:11:50 GMT -5
Thanks JMR and welcome to the board. Everyone has their own insight into all of it and it's always interesting and helpful to read another point of view. Activity on the board seems to ebb and flow and right now it's more on the ebb side but I'm sure it'll get busy again soon. As soon as someone posts something that stirs the response of a few others.
Visit often. I look forward to your posts.
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Post by alessandro on Jan 22, 2018 15:17:32 GMT -5
Hallo, I'm new to this forum, I've just signed because I'm really interested in BTK's story. The Pat Garret's story doesn't make sense to me. Why Billy stayed in New Mexico with a death sentence on him? After the first killing in Arizona he run away for thousand of miles. After the end of the Lincoln county's war he went to Texas to come back only with the hope of a pardon. Why didn't he go to Mexico, or Texas or California where he would be a free man? 6 months before Pat Garrett's posse found and shot him in Fort Sumner (Tom O'Folliard was killed); why to go to a place where he was already intercepted by the law? And is it possible Pat Garrett, Poe and McKinney stayed in Fort Sumner for a day and he didn't know anything? Didn't he have an informer in the town? If Pat Garrett's story is real, BTK was really stupid. But I don't think he was such an idiot.
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Post by 44colt on Aug 23, 2018 16:47:11 GMT -5
On Dec. 20, 1882, San Miguel County issued an arrest warrant for the Kid. This was again issued on Mar. 5, 1883. However, both times the warrant was returned as "not found in county."
Does anyone have the source for where these documents are located or copies of these documents?
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Post by Hawki on Jun 13, 2021 0:44:49 GMT -5
There is a video on YouTube titled Santa Rosa Supplemental 2 of 2 Billy the Kid Interview. A Mr. Martinez states he is the great grandson of Paco Anaya and his uncle was the son of Billy the kid. He believes Brushy was Billy the Kid. Check out the video.
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Post by kerry on Jun 13, 2021 4:11:35 GMT -5
This explains why BTK never exposed Garrett - Pat was his son's god father. Simularly to protect his son and other descendants - Brushy never mentions their existence to Morrison..which was the right thing to do as things turned out.
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Post by kerry on Jun 16, 2021 15:16:37 GMT -5
no one can imagine life as a condemned man who had cheated the hangman as BTK did....after escaping being in chains in Lincoln Jail - his survival instincts must have been almost supernatural. He was on his own -sought by others as well as the Law to be put to death. On the night of the shooting Silva warned him there had been a suspicious stranger in town that day asking questions in addition to this Billy Barlow hanging around - alarm bells would have been ringing long before it is said he walked up to two men armed with rifles positioned off Pete Maxwell's bedroom - unbelievably BTK! As for Billy having unknown descendants - the sins of the father would have been visited on his son with certainty -because he was BTK and any children would have to rely on the goodwill and protection of vulnerable Hispanic communities -both sides of the Border ... Even after 70 years - as Brushy found out- the sins of the father were still being protected by his son during the attempt to get a pardon before he sadly did die..
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