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Post by DanJohno on Mar 21, 2021 19:25:32 GMT -5
ya, thanks for sharing the bias that spews from Brushy's mouth. spoiler Billy is dead No credible evidence exists that you didn't post this message
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Post by chivato88 on Mar 21, 2021 19:52:32 GMT -5
ya, thanks for sharing the bias that spews from Brushy's mouth. spoiler Billy is dead No credible evidence exists that you didn't post this message He did not post this, and some of us know who did
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Post by DanJohno on Mar 21, 2021 20:06:22 GMT -5
Are we allowed to know who was the hacker or is that just another topic for debate?
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Post by chivato88 on Mar 22, 2021 3:51:46 GMT -5
Its just that we suspected someone a lot, but it has not happen since, dont worry Im pretty sure that Wayne is keeping an eye on things, better to turn the page for nowđ
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Post by CKB on May 15, 2021 16:43:53 GMT -5
Was Joe Hines ever verified to be Jesse Evans? If not, itâs pretty easy to dismiss Brushy Bill as a fake. I tend to side with TTT when it comes to Brushy Bill, although I do not think Garrett shot the Kid on July 14, 1881. He definitely shot someone, but he did and didnât do too many afterwards for the victim to have been Billy.
First off, he was smart enough and knew the procedure, which was to photograph himself was the wanted man. That didnât happen. In fact, Garrett went out of his way to get the victim in the ground as quick as possible and make sure as few people as possible actually saw the body. The other very strange part is the jury write up. Several of the witnesses were close friends of Billyâs and never would have approved of the language stating their thanks to Garrett for making Fort Sumner a safer place.
My gut feeling is that Garrett shot the wrong man and a deal was cut, which included Billy going away and âbeing deadâ and Garrett able to claim to have killed him. In a way, that would help both men, Billy would escape the price on his head and be able to start over, somewhere other than New Mexico. And Garrett could then pursue his political ambitions, as the man who had killed BTK.
So, I believe Billy survived that night in Fort Sumner, based on the strange inconsistencies around the death, and maybe he was John Miller or left for Mexico, but there are too many red flags around Brushy Bill...
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Post by kerry on May 16, 2021 3:22:43 GMT -5
Lincoln town was where BTK was due to be executed...it was where he killed two deputies - it was the place he should have been returned to...alive or dead regardless of the reward .No wonder Pat had such a hard time collecting the money for killing him without a body -apparently they returned to Lincoln with a Coroners' verdict a self cocking Colt and a saddle said to be Billy's -they must have buried the horse as well. Soon after -Pat developed a sudden attachment to the body he had buried far away in Fort Sumner when a newspaper claimed to have Billy's trigger finger in a jar....he personally went back to check the grave hadn't been disturbed.Why didn't he take the body back to Lincoln with him to settle the matter? Goodnight returned a year after his friend was buried in the same cemetery and returned his body hundreds of miles back to his home town in Texas...no problem -no 500 dollar reward either.
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Post by Hawki on Jun 8, 2021 21:27:28 GMT -5
Brushy apparently spoke to Morrison of the soldiers that showed up in Lincoln County. They were Black Soldiers. This was not general knowledge during his day and not mentioned in the Walter Noble Burns book from 1926.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 8, 2021 22:41:46 GMT -5
Brushy apparently spoke to Morrison of the soldiers that showed up in Lincoln County. They were Black Soldiers. This was not general knowledge during his day and not mentioned in the Walter Noble Burns book from 1926. With all due respect, and in the interest of accuracy, the following is found on p 122 of "The Saga of Billy the Kid", First University of New Mexico Edition, 1999.
"Two squadrons of Negro cavalry, with two Gatling guns and Colonel Dudley in command, were soon moving at double-quick on the road to Lincoln."
Buffalo troopers are mentioned on page 123.
Black troopers are mentioned on page 124.
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Post by devorerd on Jun 9, 2021 11:21:11 GMT -5
Brushy apparently spoke to Morrison of the soldiers that showed up in Lincoln County. They were Black Soldiers. This was not general knowledge during his day and not mentioned in the Walter Noble Burns book from 1926. With all due respect, and in the interest of accuracy, the following is found on p 122 of "The Saga of Billy the Kid", First University of New Mexico Edition, 1999.
"Two squadrons of Negro cavalry, with two Gatling guns and Colonel Dudley in command, were soon moving at double-quick on the road to Lincoln."
Buffalo troopers are mentioned on page 123.
Black troopers are mentioned on page 124.
So the assumption is that Brushy read this information and simple restated it. Since it was out there, I can go along with that assumption. Here is my question, so If I'm in my 80's or 90's, whatever you believe, and I'm impersonating the Kid with my book knowledge, what is the motive for bringing this out so late in his life. If fame or money is in the equation, once I've read all that I need to know, I'm coming out and trying to reap the rewards? But at the end of his life, that just doesn't compute?
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Post by devorerd on Jun 9, 2021 11:27:10 GMT -5
Sorry, put in the wrong box, but you get the gist..
TTT...
So the assumption is that Brushy read this information and simple restated it. Since it was out there, I can go along with that assumption. Here is my question, so If I'm in my 80's or 90's, whatever you believe, and I'm impersonating the Kid with my book knowledge, what is the motive for bringing this out so late in his life. If fame or money is in the equation, once I've read all that I need to know, I'm coming out and trying to reap the rewards? But at the end of his life, that just doesn't compute?
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Post by cassandra jane on Jun 9, 2021 11:45:20 GMT -5
Sorry, put in the wrong box, but you get the gist.. TTT... So the assumption is that Brushy read this information and simple restated it. Since it was out there, I can go along with that assumption. Here is my question, so If I'm in my 80's or 90's, whatever you believe, and I'm impersonating the Kid with my book knowledge, what is the motive for bringing this out so late in his life. If fame or money is in the equation, once I've read all that I need to know, I'm coming out and trying to reap the rewards? But at the end of his life, that just doesn't compute? Maybe Iâm being dumb here but, given that the internet didnât exist back then and information wasnât available at the drop of a hat - does anyone know for certain that Brushy (who was proclaimed to be a non-literary man) had actually spoken of or heard about writers like Burns? Just saying, I know how hard I find it to keep up to date with things in the news, and Iâm AWFUL at knowing where to find information I need - and I have two degrees under my belt. What did Brushy have?
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Post by leeb on Jun 9, 2021 11:56:17 GMT -5
"Saga " was serialized and printed weekly in old brushy's local newspaper.
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Post by cassandra jane on Jun 9, 2021 12:37:22 GMT -5
"Saga " was serialized and printed weekly in old brushy's local newspaper. Again, that doesnât mean he read it. Not everyone buys local newspapers or even national/regional.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jun 9, 2021 12:55:30 GMT -5
Sorry, put in the wrong box, but you get the gist.. TTT... So the assumption is that Brushy read this information and simple restated it. Since it was out there, I can go along with that assumption. Here is my question, so If I'm in my 80's or 90's, whatever you believe, and I'm impersonating the Kid with my book knowledge, what is the motive for bringing this out so late in his life. If fame or money is in the equation, once I've read all that I need to know, I'm coming out and trying to reap the rewards? But at the end of his life, that just doesn't compute? I believe Morrison said Brushy was living in a shack. Brushy had participated in some of the hoopla that followed J Frank Dalton's sworn affidavit that he was Jesse Woodson James. DeWitt Travis paid for Brushy's trip to NYC, where he supported Dalton's claim that he was Jesse James. Brushy was also present at Dalton's 102nd birthday at Meramec Caverns, Missouri.
Why did Dalton claim to be Jesse James when he was about 100 years old, or why did Brushy claim to be Btk? No living person knows.
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Post by leeb on Jun 9, 2021 13:09:13 GMT -5
Sorry, put in the wrong box, but you get the gist.. TTT... So the assumption is that Brushy read this information and simple restated it. Since it was out there, I can go along with that assumption. Here is my question, so If I'm in my 80's or 90's, whatever you believe, and I'm impersonating the Kid with my book knowledge, what is the motive for bringing this out so late in his life. If fame or money is in the equation, once I've read all that I need to know, I'm coming out and trying to reap the rewards? But at the end of his life, that just doesn't compute? Maybe Iâm being dumb here but, given that the internet didnât exist back then and information wasnât available at the drop of a hat - does anyone know for certain that Brushy (who was proclaimed to be a non-literary man) had actually spoken of or heard about writers like Burns? Just saying, I know how hard I find it to keep up to date with things in the news, and Iâm AWFUL at knowing where to find information I need - and I have two degrees under my belt. What did Brushy have? information wasn't available at the drop of a hat! Yes indeed it was but it's pointless pointing it out because of the added advantage of blinkers.
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