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Post by Glen Lynch on Dec 26, 2021 23:03:11 GMT -5
The thing that is not clear to me is the bleeding gunshot wound in the stomach of John Miller at his wedding a short time after the 'alleged" shooting of Billy the Kid. I tend to think that Miller "might" have been our boy Billy. What was that oozing gunshot wound those witnesses saw about? One other thing. This has crossed my mind many times. Billy had a very high I.Q., could speak three languages and his teachers said he was smart, creative and artistic. Most of the scenarios talked about were scenarios that make him appear like a "dumb person", especially the one the night where he was "allegedly" shot. Something is missing in all of this, and I don't know what.
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Post by Wayne Land on Dec 27, 2021 11:04:45 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, the gunshot wound you mention was in Miller's shoulder, not his stomach. I have a theory that Miller was actually Billy Barlow and that "he", not BTK, survived Garrett's attack, and was nursed back to health as described in the book about Miller. Brushy thought Miller was dead, escaped Ft. Sumner as described and so on. It's a pretty far fetched idea, but if it were possibly correct then it explains a great deal.
BTW, I don't think anyone knows what Billy The Kid's IQ was. We know he spoke fluent English and Spanish but that was probably pretty common in Southern New Mexico at the time. He probably learned Spanish out of necessity and knowing it doesn't mean he was a genius. In fact there is quite a lot of evidence that says Brushy was also fluent in Spanish. Now, if he did know a third language (I've never read that he did) then depending on what language it was and how fluent he was might indicate a higher than average intelligence. I'm curious, do you know what third language he spoke?
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Post by dunedin on Dec 27, 2021 13:21:34 GMT -5
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Post by chivato88 on Dec 27, 2021 15:23:40 GMT -5
Lol Mr Obvious, from the morning radio show "The Bob and Tom show", Im a regular listener
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Post by tboor74 on Jan 19, 2022 2:06:35 GMT -5
J Frank Dalton is meant to have used 72 aliases in his life, yes 72!
It got me thinking as to no wonder it's so hard trying to piece things together regarding most of these chaps as they often seem to have a different name in every county!
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Post by montanas on Feb 28, 2023 11:59:16 GMT -5
The youtube guy ATBTK just pointed out a grave stone in the cemetery in Ft. Sumner with William Barlow's name on it.
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Post by dunedin on Mar 2, 2023 20:12:30 GMT -5
I was doing some reading on Quantrill’s Raiders and came across the name “Arch Clements” (including a picture). He was one of the more famous in the group. I’m just posting this because I remember reading once that Brushy stated Billy Barlow was related to the Clements family (or he so believed). It is interesting to think maybe he served with Brushy’s old man, Wild Henry. Apologies if this thought has already been posted.
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Post by dunedin on Mar 2, 2023 20:15:11 GMT -5
Inferring that Barlow may have served or had a relative that served with Wild Henry!
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Post by garyabc on Apr 13, 2023 18:08:10 GMT -5
Maybe. Brushy said he doubted anyone would learn much about Barlow. In my favorite version of That Night i see Brushy saying he was somewhere else when someone else was killed. When this answer is challenged he changes the story to suit his legal aid. Billy Barlow is a pivotal character in an ancient English poem. If Brushy picked this character for his accidental martyr it would be witty filled with sarcasm and irony. Brushy's version of the night is the only part of Brushy's accounts that seem more at home in a movie than as part of his own experiences.
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 13, 2023 20:22:44 GMT -5
Garyabc, you make some good observations there. In a similar vein I've always said determining whether Brushy was BTK based on proving his statements true or false is futile. I do believe he told some big ones in his meetings with Morrison, but I still believe the one where he said he was Billy The Kid was quite true.
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Post by garyabc on Apr 14, 2023 15:37:41 GMT -5
No Credible evidence
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Post by garyabc on Apr 14, 2023 15:43:42 GMT -5
No Credible evidence. Depending on how blunt you want to be, you can truely say. "There is no credible evidence that the man convicted of killing sheriff Brady was ever killed by anyone." Personally i prefer not to be that rude.
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Post by djmatt on Dec 15, 2023 7:56:31 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, the gunshot wound you mention was in Miller's shoulder, not his stomach. I have a theory that Miller was actually Billy Barlow and that "he", not BTK, survived Garrett's attack, and was nursed back to health as described in the book about Miller. Brushy thought Miller was dead, escaped Ft. Sumner as described and so on. It's a pretty far fetched idea, but if it were possibly correct then it explains a great deal. BTW, I don't think anyone knows what Billy The Kid's IQ was. We know he spoke fluent English and Spanish but that was probably pretty common in Southern New Mexico at the time. He probably learned Spanish out of necessity and knowing it doesn't mean he was a genius. In fact there is quite a lot of evidence that says Brushy was also fluent in Spanish. Now, if he did know a third language (I've never read that he did) then depending on what language it was and how fluent he was might indicate a higher than average intelligence. I'm curious, do you know what third language he spoke? Ive seen you say you have doubts about Brushys story about Fort Sumner. Is it possible that Billie and Pat did kill someone in his place? Brushy wouldnt want to admit that cold blooded murder while seeking a pardon. Just a thought.
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Post by red on Jan 18, 2024 23:01:57 GMT -5
Boxrec has a Billy Barlow. Brushy in one of the books I read said he boxed under the name. The description of the opponent was exactly who he described. The opponent I believe went on to be a champion. The fight took place at the time Brushy said. The record on the website, read Billy Barlow 0-1-0.
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