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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 24, 2020 20:28:33 GMT -5
After all these years, someone has created a high res image of Billy's tintype that is astounding in it's clarity and detail. I don't know who did it or how they created it so I apologize for not providing the appropriate credit. But I could not resist sharing it here when I saw a glaring similarity with one of Brushy's photos. The photo of Brushy was taken at the meeting with Governor Mabry. As you probably are aware, photos sometimes show more facial blemishes or less depending on lighting and the camera's abilities, etc. I don't see any clear evidence of this on any of the other Brushy photos though there are other photos where you can "maybe" see this. If I'm correct, the BTK tintype shows a scar of some kind on the bridge of the nose. This photo of Brushy shows a scar in the exact same spot. I leave it to the viewer to decide what this means or if it is accurate. Here's the two photos:
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Post by leeb on Mar 25, 2020 15:09:41 GMT -5
Billy had one known injury. A sore nose wasn't the answer. Brushy wasn't the kid and never will be. Accept it!
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Post by MissyS on Mar 25, 2020 16:56:49 GMT -5
Thanks Wayne for posting this, it’s a great find. The scar on Billy’s nose is definitely a possibility he could have suffered anytime during his hard life, It’s not surprising that every scar Billy suffered would not have been mentioned through history, and it’s a scar that a person probably wouldn’t recall when remembering Billy’s characteristics, the eyes are what most people remembered and the eyes probably did take away the notice of the scar? It does look like both him and Brushy had a scar at the same place, and the eyebrows in those two photos also have similarities, there can be coincidences between the two, but facial scars in the same place are more than coincidental, so to me it adds to Brushy’s claim.
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 25, 2020 19:08:45 GMT -5
Turns out the cleaned up tintype image was done using Artificial Intelligence and I've found two different examples that both show that same scar on the nose. One of them has left several other blemishes from the original tintype that this one did not, but the scar is still there on both of them, even though you can barely see it in most images of the tintype. Likewise, I've not found any other photo of Brushy that shows a clear indication of a scar on his nose but there is also no othe image of Brushy that shows so many age spots and the like as does this one. So it sort of makes sense. Bottom line, I think that is a scar in the same place on both the tintype and the Brushy photo. After 70 years, scars will tend to fade, so it doesn't show up on most of Brushy's photos.
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Post by MissyS on Mar 26, 2020 6:37:58 GMT -5
I think when analyzing this photo of Brushy closely and enlarged some, it looks to me like there is a slight indentation or a scar there or a line across the top of his nose from under his eye.
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Post by leeb on Mar 26, 2020 9:41:31 GMT -5
A scar only fades within the first two years of receiving it.
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Post by leeb on Mar 26, 2020 13:32:05 GMT -5
Thanks Wayne for posting this, it’s a great find. The scar on Billy’s nose is definitely a possibility he could have suffered anytime during his hard life, It’s not surprising that every scar Billy suffered would not have been mentioned through history, and it’s a scar that a person probably wouldn’t recall when remembering Billy’s characteristics, the eyes are what most people remembered and the eyes probably did take away the notice of the scar? It does look like both him and Brushy had a scar at the same place, and the eyebrows in those two photos also have similarities, there can be coincidences between the two, but facial scars in the same place are more than coincidental, so to me it adds to Brushy’s claim. missy the so called scar is apparently right between his eyes so how would anyone not see it if they was drawn to his eyes? Just asking what colour was billy's eyes? Perhaps Wayne might like to join in, what colour was billy and brushy's eyes?
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Post by MissyS on Mar 26, 2020 14:23:24 GMT -5
Leeb, In that photo of Brushy it looks like he has an indentation along the top of his nose, I don’t know how it happened? or when it happened?, I don’t believe every wound or scar is the same or that every scar heals completely. If a persons eyes are a strong facial feature that stands out to people then when asked about features of a person that they remembered years ago the eyes are what they mention because they remember them most, it doesn’t matter the color of the eyes, but you should know what color Brushy and Billy’s eyes were. Billy’s teeth was also a distinguishing feature often remembered, persons would mention these features before mentioning a scar.
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Post by leeb on Mar 27, 2020 14:35:30 GMT -5
Was they blue???
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Post by Sam Fraser on Apr 3, 2020 14:41:57 GMT -5
Brushy did say he still had the scars; I guess a photo may have been taken of one after all.
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 4, 2020 12:20:17 GMT -5
The director of the funeral home where he lay stated he had never seen so many scars on one man's body. Maybe the one on the nose is just one of the many that have never been discussed with any specificity. The photo I used from the courthouse meeting with Mabry is said to show a scar on his forehead as well which was suspected of being the one he got when going over the fence in Fort Sumner that fateful night. I've never been certain I can see it but I think it's over his right eye, high on the forehead. Morrison even viewed the body at the funeral home, by request, and confirmed the presence of, I think he said, 27 scars.
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Post by leeb on Apr 4, 2020 14:10:09 GMT -5
Never seen so many scars? Where are you going with this. There is no records of billy having scars so what are you comparing the 27 scars to? One scar on his forehead could be from that fateful night?? Really!
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 4, 2020 17:59:59 GMT -5
We don't know how many scars BTK had or didn't have. But we can suspect he had more than what are public record. How many fights was he involved in that were never recorded by history? We don't know. However, it would be surprising if Oliver Pleasant Roberts had 27 scars on his body, a number of which appeared to be bullet or knife wounds. That might lead an objective thinker to consider the very real possibility or even probability that Brushy was "not" Oliver Pleasant Roberts. That's why it matters if he really did have that many scars as described. In fact, many of them may have been received "after" 1881. It really isn't about proving he was BTK but it might be important evidence that he was not Oliver Roberts. The real Oliver P. Roberts did not lead the kind of violent life that would result in so many scars.
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Post by Sam Fraser on Apr 5, 2020 5:04:39 GMT -5
After all these years, someone has created a high res image of Billy's tintype that is astounding in it's clarity and detail. I don't know who did it or how they created it so I apologize for not providing the appropriate credit. But I could not resist sharing it here when I saw a glaring similarity with one of Brushy's photos. The photo of Brushy was taken at the meeting with Governor Mabry. As you probably are aware, photos sometimes show more facial blemishes or less depending on lighting and the camera's abilities, etc. I don't see any clear evidence of this on any of the other Brushy photos though there are other photos where you can "maybe" see this. If I'm correct, the BTK tintype shows a scar of some kind on the bridge of the nose. This photo of Brushy shows a scar in the exact same spot. I leave it to the viewer to decide what this means or if it is accurate. Here's the two photos: You also said on your old website, said that another photo of Brushy from the meeting with Mabry, had a good look at his jaw and that the left side of his mouth has the same lower jaw as Billy the Kid in the tintype.
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Post by leeb on Apr 6, 2020 14:52:00 GMT -5
Turns out the cleaned up tintype image was done using Artificial Intelligence and I've found two different examples that both show that same scar on the nose. One of them has left several other blemishes from the original tintype that this one did not, but the scar is still there on both of them, even though you can barely see it in most images of the tintype. Likewise, I've not found any other photo of Brushy that shows a clear indication of a scar on his nose but there is also no othe image of Brushy that shows so many age spots and the like as does this one. So it sort of makes sense. Bottom line, I think that is a scar in the same place on both the tintype and the Brushy photo. After 70 years, scars will tend to fade, so it doesn't show up on most of Brushy's photos. 'Bottom line, I think that is a scar in the same place on both the tintype and the brushy photo. But obviously not on the brushy photo at age 28? You can't have it both ways. Some people change more than the tide (when it suits).Again, scars only fade within the first two years of receiving. And not a hint of sarcasm!
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