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Post by mckinley412 on Nov 7, 2017 9:46:06 GMT -5
Susan, or to whoever else it may concern, I used to Wonder if Evans and Campbell were the same person and still wonder. Utley's book chapter 11 mentions them both appearing at places at the same time and he sites a couple of his sources. Can anyone find these original sources and post them so I can see if Campbell and Evans were indeed two different people?
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Post by susan on Nov 8, 2017 18:07:53 GMT -5
Didn't Evans and Campbell kill Chapman? I have read that a couple of places. I do not remember exactly where but I think I read where they shot him and continued on with drinking.
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Post by mckinley412 on Nov 8, 2017 19:19:46 GMT -5
If you are asking me I say it often mentions one or the other. Utley has them both there but thank God he sites his sources. Let's see what the original sources say. Particularly the Ft. Stanton Post Records. If someone can prove Campbell and Evans were two separate people that would be a great help. Someone needs to physically see and post the documents listed in notes for chapter 11 as number 15 and 20 in the back of Utley's book.
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Post by susan on Nov 8, 2017 19:34:49 GMT -5
I will get the book and read it. I agree with you about finding the documents. Sometimes every time someone writes another book, the facts are changed and without documentation it is mostly fiction.
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Post by mckinley412 on Nov 8, 2017 23:49:19 GMT -5
Don't read it! 3 million people have done that. Just find those sources and see what they say. Read the book later.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Nov 13, 2017 21:56:22 GMT -5
"Sometimes every time someone writes another book, the facts are changed, and WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION, IT IS MOSTLY FICTION."
Susan, An apt and appropriate observation, and accurate description.
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Post by MissyS on Nov 16, 2017 21:06:24 GMT -5
Susan, or to whoever else it may concern, I used to Wonder if Evans and Campbell were the same person and still wonder. Utley's book chapter 11 mentions them both appearing at places at the same time and he sites a couple of his sources. Can anyone find these original sources and post them so I can see if Campbell and Evans were indeed two different people? Another possible way to find out if Evans and Campbell were the same person could be to find Governor Lew Wallace's list of wanted men he made when he first came to New Mexico, this list has to be historically kept somewhere? I read he made a list of 35 men he wanted dealt with and Jesse Evans name may very well be on that list? if Evans and Campbell's name are both listed then it would mean they were two seperate individuals, finding this list would be interesting, I remember reading that William Bonney's name was down the list like number 15, so he didn't make the top ten, surprisingly, and the one that made the top of his list was John Selman.
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Post by MissyS on Sept 20, 2018 21:11:48 GMT -5
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Post by mckinley412 on Sept 21, 2018 0:49:48 GMT -5
I did get some original document copies. It appears Evans and Campbell are two different people. Saga says Evans family name was Davis and his brother was killed.
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Post by mckinley412 on Sept 21, 2018 1:02:51 GMT -5
Very interesting article, Missy. I would like to see the Billy pics they mention. Have you tried to order them from your library?
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Post by mckinley412 on Sept 21, 2018 1:05:36 GMT -5
Oluckyman, can you look up that newspaper that says it shows Billy and post a pic?
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Post by MissyS on Sept 21, 2018 2:54:30 GMT -5
mckinley412, I believe the photos it's referring to you may be familiar with?, the one it says "was taken in Pecos Texas 1880" I believe is the photo of Billy the Kid with the fiddle and John Ables sitting at the table?. I'm not sure but I do believe the other may be the same Texas Ranger photo that was dismissed as being Billy because of a rifle in the photo that wasn't made until 1884?
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Post by mckinley412 on Sept 22, 2018 11:43:28 GMT -5
I don't think it's the same fiddle photo because the guy wasn't sitting at a table was he? Also I have an old email from Hall that says Evans was released to Echols Construction Co. From the memoirs of Lt. Charles Platt, him and Colonel Joseph Baily signed for him. Evans was never listed as a fugitive. Sometimes inmates were not just leased to companies for labor but also released to companies. That's basically what the email says.
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Post by Andy on Dec 30, 2018 9:02:30 GMT -5
I found something interesting, I believe: /www.findagrave.com/memorial/29561733/leslie-joseph-hines Could be this be "our" Joe Hines? Place of death and date of birth match. Greetings.
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Post by wannabe12 on Dec 31, 2018 19:13:24 GMT -5
Really not a lot of information I’ve been able to find on this Joe Hines. Might be able to turn up more in a while. Seems to be a popular name in Alabama and Florida around the 40’s and 50’s. Many are Listed as black or mulatto.
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