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Post by susan on Jul 29, 2017 12:47:04 GMT -5
Excerpts from Updated Info on Jesse Robert James ( alias "Joseph L. Hines" )
By philip kromer July 09, 2005 at 01:54:02
. . . It all began in 1948 when attorney and probate investigator William V. Morrison [William Vincent Morrison, Nov. 26, 1906 - Aug. 30, 1977] was dispatched from St. Louis, Missouri to Escambia County, Florida to investigate an inheritance for a claimant named Joseph L. Hines. Hines' brother [Franklin Morgan James, alias 'Morgan Campbell' - died on April 2, 1948 in Minot, North Dakota, according to the North Dakota Bureau of Vital Statistics] had recently passed away in Minot, North Dakota and [Joseph L. Hines] claimed to be the sole heir to his brother's property. Upon further investigation, Morrison discovered that the primary reason for Hines' inability to have his probate claim processed was that the name 'Joseph L. Hines' was merely an alias. According to Hines he was a veteran of the Lincoln County War, during which he aligned himself with the Murphy-Dolan-Riley faction and fought against Billy the Kid. . . .
. . . Joseph L. Hines . . . was really born Jesse R. James and his brother Morgan was born Franklin Morgan James. The two brothers changed their names to avoid being confused with the legendary bandits from Missouri, Frank and Jesse James. Hence, they adopted the aliases William & Morgan Campbell. [Joe] Hines claimed that his brother maintained his 'adopted name' [Morgan Campbell] for the remainder of his life. He [Morgan] had no need to change it because he 'wasn't an outlaw or a wanted man.' [Joe] Hines maintained that even though he was using his adopted name William Campbell, during his days in New Mexico, rumors were always popping up that he was 'the Jesse James' from Missouri.
My question is if all these folks were actually someone else then who was Jesse Evans? Also, I read somewhere that there may have been 2 men in the Lincoln County War going by the name of Jesse Evans if things were not confusing enough. |
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Post by clydec on Jul 30, 2017 8:47:21 GMT -5
I have always thought that Hines was William Campbell and not Jesse Evans. You should get in touch with Brett Hall and he will give you some more info on this.
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Post by susan on Jul 30, 2017 15:07:51 GMT -5
There was a Morgan Campbell in North Dakota. Do you know how much land he inherited? Also, what happened to "Joseph Hines" or Campbell after that? Also, why was he going by an alias? Was Campbell still wanted? Who is Brett Hall?
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Post by clydec on Jul 30, 2017 17:56:31 GMT -5
The Morgan Campbell in North Dakota was the brother of William Campbell alias Joe Hines. Not sure what happened to Joe Hines after the court case in Florida. he was pretty old at the time and not sure how long he lived after that. He may have been a wanted man, if he was still using an alias he probably was wanted. Brett Hall wrote what I consider the best book on Brushy. He was the first one to state that Hines was William Campbell and not Jesse Evans. He read Morrison's notes on the case and found this out from that.  |
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 30, 2017 18:03:28 GMT -5
"There was a Morgan Campbell in North Dakota."
susan,
Very interesting find. Can you share the record that confirms the presence of Morgan Campbell in North Dakota?
Thanks,
TTT
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Post by susan on Jul 30, 2017 18:27:16 GMT -5
Thank you. I will get the book.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Sept 24, 2017 21:28:39 GMT -5
Susan, There is a North Dakota website, Department of Health, Public Death Index apps.ng.gov/doh/certificates/deathCertSearch.htm, or https://www/ndhealth.gov, and select "Public Death Index" The death of Morgan Campbell is not recorded in the database anywhere in North Dakota in 1947, 1948, or 1959. The death of Franklin Morgan James is not recorded in the database. Presumably Brett Hall believed that the death certificate of Morgan Campbell, who supposedly died in Minot, Ward County, 2 April 1948. existed in the North Dakota Bureau of Vital Statistics. Maybe the state records or incomplete. Maybe not. Is there a copy of that death certificate included in Brett's book or Morrison's book? Has the grave of Morgan Campbell been located? Is there an Ancestry.com family tree listing a Morgan Campbell that died in North Dakota? |
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Post by susan on Sept 25, 2017 12:01:03 GMT -5
Yes, I have done a lot of looking on Ancestry.com and have not found Morgan Campbell's death record. The will was supposedly probated in Ward & Ramsey Counties, North Dakota. I have not found the probate records either. Has anyone seen those? They were supposed to have been named originally Jesse R. James and Franklin Morgan James so I have been looking for those names also. I will keep looking. Also, my question is what happened to Jesse Evans. I just do not think he was a Campbell or a James because of his name at the time of his arrest in Elk City, Kansas. I am wondering if he survived for any length of time after he left Huntsville, TX. The reason I am so curious about that is that I think he and Billy the Kid would have somehow kept in touch. They were friends I think even though they had their differences. Also, just seems to me that there could have been other surviving relatives that no one has yet discovered. What do you think?
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Sept 26, 2017 21:24:45 GMT -5
Susan,
Jesse Evans, a captive of the Texas Rangers, wrote a letter to Billy the Kid that was intercepted by the Rangers. I believe that is credible evidence that Jesse Evans and Billy the Kid were, or had been, friends.
Jesse Evan’s paper trail first appears in Lincoln County, and vanishes with his escape from the Texas penal system. Everything else is speculation until credible evidence is found.
Real or imaginary? Jesse R. James, Franklin Morgan James, Morgan Campbell. Perhaps someone, sometime, can find a record of at least one of them.
There are several books about Jesse James and Billy the Kid littered with pseudo facts. There are 3 books that claim James Lafayette Courtney, a Yankee bugle blower in the Union army, was Jesse Woodson James. There are several books that claim J. Frank Dalton was Jesse Woodson James, and his death certificate and cemetery marker bear the name of Jesse Woodson James. Those who believed Dalton’s tall tales, not relatives, provided the bogus information. Morrison said Dalton provided the name and address of Brushy Bill Roberts.
Hall’s information is either fact or hearsay. If Hall provided references and sources, the credibility of his information can be checked. Information quoted from prior publications is hearsay unless those authors provided sources and records.
You asked me what I think. I believe Brushy Bill Roberts was Oliver P. Roberts, a talented storyteller, a friend of J. Frank Dalton, and an acquaintance of Uncle Kit Carson (Ora Woodman of Illinois, no relation to Kit Carson). Oliver Pleasant Roberts left a well-documented paper trail from his birth in Sebastian County, Arkansas, in 1879, until his death in Hico, Texas. I don’t believe in the tooth fairy, or the theory that Oliver P. Roberts, son of Henry Oliver Roberts and Sarah Ferguson, conveniently disappeared from Van Zandt County about 1910 so Brushy Bill could masquerade as Oliver P. Roberts, even to the point of providing that same birthday, 26 August.
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Post by susan on Sept 28, 2017 11:33:16 GMT -5
So, you do not think Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid? Who is in possession of Morrison's notes and/or research for his book? What was the law firm he represented? I read somewhere that he had a daughter. Did she have the notes? So, also, do you think Pat Garrett actually shot Billy the Kid?
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Oct 2, 2017 21:49:13 GMT -5
Susan,
I am convinced that Brushy Bill Roberts was Oliver Pleasant Roberts, just as he said when he registered for the WWI draft and provided the same birth date, August 26, as his niece, Geneva Roberts Pittmon, said was in the Roberts family Bible for Oliver P. Roberts.
I have no idea who is in the possession of the notes taken by William V. Morrison when he interviewed Brushy Bill.
William V. Morrison was born 26 Nov 1906 in Illinois. William and Ruth had 2 daughters, Kathleen born about December 1925 in Illinois, and Barbara June, born in Missouri about February 1930. William was the manager of a grocery store in St Louis in 1930. In 1940, he had completed college, and was an automobile salesman, wholesale and retail, in St Louis. He died in El Paso 30 August 1977, and is buried in Calvary Cemetery, St Louis, Missouri.
I believe Pat Garrett shot and killed Billy the Kid, for no credible or convincing evidence has been found to the contrary.
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Post by mckinley412 on Oct 3, 2017 7:28:59 GMT -5
It says in Hall's book where to find the record of Morgan Campbell. Died Apr. 2 1948 in Minot, ND. ND Bureau of Vital Statistics.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Oct 11, 2017 10:46:15 GMT -5
Thain,
"It says in Hall's book where to find the record of Morgan Campbell. Died Apr. 2 1948 in Minot, ND. ND Bureau of Vital Statistics."
Did Hall say that the name of Joe Hine's brother was Morgan Campbell, and that he died in Minot, ND? Did Hall say that the will of Morgan Campbell was probated in Ward County, or in Ramsey County, or both?
Thanks,
TTT
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Post by mckinley412 on Oct 15, 2017 15:18:13 GMT -5
I need to read the book again. He did say about the death that his name was Morgan and died in Minot. I'm not sure about the will. I don't think anyone knows where it is.
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Post by mckinley412 on Oct 15, 2017 15:36:29 GMT -5
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