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Post by nmjames on Oct 29, 2017 10:07:08 GMT -5
Susan:
At Saint Johns. AZ. in December 1881, there was a hanging of a William Campbell and Joseph Waters. They had killed David Blanchard and the towns people took them out of jail and hung them. The story goes that William Cambell left the Lincoln area and went on a cattle drive with the Slaughter cowboys to AZ. Some feel this was the William Campbell from Lincoln and others don't.
In the 1940 Census from Escambia Florida, Joseph Hines is living in the house of Ella Brown age 55. Her son was D.C. Bown age 19. Joseph Hines was 80. Born about 1860, Birthplace: Missouri In 1935 he was living in Pensocola, Florida.
In the a book The Story of the Outlaw. it is stated that William Campbell wasn not his real name but Ed Richardson.
This may not help but just something to think about and look at.
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Post by clydec on Oct 29, 2017 16:45:58 GMT -5
nmjames, that is interesting. There is a story as well that William Campbell and his brother Morgan were actually born with the names of Jesse and Frank James, but changed them years later as to not be confused with the legendary James brothers.
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Post by nmjames on Oct 29, 2017 23:12:01 GMT -5
Thanks Clydec.
I have read this about these Jesse and Frank James. It's been awhile since I looked into all the J. Frank Dalton story but I have some information on Jesse R and Franklin Morgan James in some of my files. I remember the story about a picture of Jesse James, Frank James and their mother being found in a cabin near Bottomless Lakes close to Roswell, NM. I have a lot of informaion on it but would have to look it up again and not go off of memory.
Can anyone tell me how or why Joseph Hines contacted Morrison in Missouri all the way from Florida about land in North Dakota. Did he know Morrison? It just all sounds strange to me. It looks like he would have found a lawyer from Florida or North Dakota. If Joseph Hines was from Missouri, he may have known J. Frank Dalton and Morrison. I have always felt Morrison was tied into the J. Frank Dalton story some way.
Thanks again Clyde. nmjames
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Post by susan on Oct 30, 2017 19:29:38 GMT -5
Does anyone know what law firm Morrison represented? I agree with it sounding strange about Morrison being from Missouri and traveling all the way to Florida. If the will was probated should there not be a record of it somewhere? I cannot find a record of Joseph Hines death in Florida so did he remain there until he died (in 1951 I read somewhere). I started researching with the idea that Joseph Hines was Jesse Evans and now I do not think that is true. Did Jesse Evans go to Sonora, Mexico to work on a ranch after his time in prison? Do you have any information on that.
Thank you, Susan
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Post by nmjames on Oct 30, 2017 23:02:47 GMT -5
Susan,
I think Morrison was with the Andress, Lipscomb, and Peticolas law firm but this was in El Paso, Texas. When Morrison first so call found Brushy Bill Roberts I think the firm he was with was out of Beaumont, Texas and the head of the firm was a Mr. R.F. Roberts. If I remember, and I need to look back at some old newspapers from 1950 here in New Mexico, R.F. Roberts was with Morrison in Santa Fe. I remember one newspaper article stating R.F. Roberts was kin to Brushy but it didn't state how and they may have thought that because of the Roberts name. I do not know what firm he was with when he was working on Joseph Hines. (If it is even true.)
As to Jesse Evans, no one seems to know what happen to him. I have read in a article that there was a Texas Ranger by the name of James B. Gillet about 1927 that stated that Jesse Evans was shot and killed trying to excape. I have a fried that works at the prison but he hasn't had time to look up Jesse Evans. I may check with him again.
A Few years back when I was doing a lot of research on Burshy, I found his family line and figured out how he made up his family line that he told Morrison. Then I was able to visit with one of his kin and the family line that I have and his almost matched 100%. I quit looking because I knew Brushy was not Billy the Kid.
I think I have in some of my old files where Joseph Hines died in 1951 or 1952 and may have the cemetery he is buried in. It would take me some time to find the folder because it has been packed away in a box for a few years. When I get time, I will find the box and go through my old files to see.
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Post by susan on Oct 31, 2017 8:26:29 GMT -5
Thank you. I called Huntsville Prison and all they could provide me on Jesse Evans was what I already had from their records where he escaped. I think he was an interesting person and have wondered if perhaps he escaped from Huntsville and was killed in the process. I am on my way to Ruidoso tomorrow. This will be my 3rd trip there and this time I plan to visit their library. I have been to Lincoln and it was great to see. I arrived at sundown and there was an older gentleman walking his dog. I asked him if it was Lincoln and he said it was and that he lived there half the year and the other half in Denver. He disappeared quickly and I thought that was interesting. The street was so quiet and it was like stepping back in time. Do you have any other suggestions where I might go to do some research? Thank you, Susan
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Post by nmjames on Oct 31, 2017 19:06:29 GMT -5
Susan
The Library in Ruidoso has a room with material in it. Some of the items, they will make you put on white gloves. You can go to the Carrizozo City Hall and ask for the historical records clerk. She will ask you what you are looking for. They will not let you go and just look through everything. The Capitan Library has some files.
They have files in Lincoln but I don't know if they will let you go through them. You can ask them and see. Ask about the Nora Henn collection and see what they have done with it. She passed away and they were going to open her house up and let people do research but I don't think it has worked out. I do a lot of research in Midland, TX. at the Haley Memorial Library, in Roswell at the History Research Center, but it is only open from 1:00 to 4:00 Monday, Wed. and Friday. If you need names and phone numbers let me know and I will PM them to you. Bev at the Dolan House may be able to help you. I hope this helps.
nmjames
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Post by susan on Oct 31, 2017 19:30:20 GMT -5
Thank you so much. I have been to the Dolan House and they were so nice. I am hopeful I will find something interesting. I am sure if I do, I will have a lot more questions to ask when I return home.
Susan
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Post by nmjames on Oct 31, 2017 22:11:11 GMT -5
Susan,
I wish you good luck. I don't know what you are looking for but I have a lot of information and if I can help let me know. I will tell you where to look and you can make up your own mind. I have a home near Lincoln but I don't live there full time. I hope to soon however. Some other time if you come back, let me know and I might be able to meet you. I know a lot of places you might like to see or know about. I was just in Lincoln this past weekend. Be safe and have fun.
nmjames
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Post by nmjames on Nov 3, 2017 20:18:21 GMT -5
Clydec:
I went through a few of my old files and found where on October 26, 1948, Joseph L. Hines was said to have made a sworn statement that J. Frank Dalton was the real Jesse W. James. It also states that Joseph Hines name was Jesse R. James, cousin of Jesse W. James. I don't know how true all this is.
There was another sworn statement in Escambia County, Florida the same County as the above statement, made on the same day, October 26, 1948, by Eliza, Jon and William E. Thompson that they were convinced that J. Frank Dalton was Jesse W. James.
I have always thought that Morrison knew J. Frank Dalton and this is how he came to find Joseph Hines and Brushy Billy Roberts. I think it all ties in to the Brushy Story.
TTT and Manhunter may know a lot more about all this.
nmjames
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Post by 44colt on Nov 4, 2017 9:13:08 GMT -5
Love to see copy of these docs NMJames if you are willing to post. What do you mean "was said to have made a sworn statement". Is this an affidavit made out by Hines?
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Post by nmjames on Nov 4, 2017 10:02:34 GMT -5
44colt:
Years back when I started researching Brushy Bill, I looked into his connection with J. Frank Dalton. I came across the statements on the computer but not the copy of statement it's self. It was just a list of Sworn Statemens that were said to have been made to support J.Frank Dalton. If you will notice in my post, I said that I don't know if all of this is true. I didn't research Dalton that much and didn't try to find the documents. You might research it and try to find the documents.
TTT or manhunter may know more about Dalton.
nmjames
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Post by nmjames on Nov 4, 2017 10:37:24 GMT -5
44colt,
I sent you a PM on the Sworn Statements.
nmjames
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Post by nmjames on Nov 4, 2017 11:04:30 GMT -5
44colt
Go to Conspiracy Nation Vol. 11 Num. 38 and you can see the same List of Sworn Statements.
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Post by clydec on Nov 4, 2017 12:12:26 GMT -5
There was quite a few people who thought J. Frank Dalton was Jesse, I am not one of them. Brushy did believe though, so I don't know. If Brushy was not the kid then they are all a bunch of con men, but if Brushy was the kid as I believe he was he would have known Jesse for sure.
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