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Post by jgaines on Feb 19, 2015 13:40:49 GMT -5
I haven't seen much reference to the Freemason connections among the Santa Fe Ring and the Lincoln County War. Practically everyone on the Dolan-Murphy side were Masons. Most of the McSween side were not. Pat Garrett was a Mason and deputy Poe was a very decorated Mason himself. Digging into this angle could open up new information and certainly would make for some interesting theories. There could be Masonic records from those times that could provide interesting info. Possibilities this opens up: Poe and Garrett being brother Masons - Poe would not refute Garrett's story. Some say Billy was a Mason - I personally doubt it - but if he was, Garrett is not going to kill Billy. Anyway, the lodges keep records. Secret records, but possibly a rather un-tapped source of information.
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Post by Wayne Land on Feb 19, 2015 15:08:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't know where to begin to try and research that but it surely is an interesting idea. Maybe one of our board members is a Mason and could help.
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Post by 44colt on Mar 1, 2015 13:09:33 GMT -5
I think this line of thinking has a lot of merit. Brushy repeatedly mentioned that certain people were Masons. If I'm not mistaken back then being a Mason had a bit of a stygma associated with it but I'm not sure. He must have mentioned it over and over again for a reason, though, so I think this is a very interesting line of thinking.
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Post by jgaines on Mar 2, 2015 13:52:25 GMT -5
There's no question that Billy was up against the Lodge. The upstairs of the Murphy Dolan building even served as the meeting place for Masonic Lodge meetings at the time of the Lincoln County War. Who know's what this means, or what information could come from it - but probably something.
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Post by sushiadam on Feb 7, 2017 11:14:40 GMT -5
Judge Mabry who denied Brushy was a member as well.
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Post by mikegolfpro on Feb 8, 2017 7:51:01 GMT -5
This is a very interesting angle. I know that during the Civil War if you were a mason and was captured, depending on who took you prisoner and that group being masons and you knew the signs they would parole you basically. A lot of stuff happened in that period with the secret societies.
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Post by jgaines on Feb 8, 2017 12:04:19 GMT -5
The same held true in world war I and II . You made damn sure to know the Masonic hand signs, it could save your life -
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Post by wildblue on Jun 3, 2017 18:15:08 GMT -5
I read in an online newspaper dated Sept. 1913 that John Chisum was a Royal Arch Mason, and filled several official positions throughout his life. He died on December 23, 1884.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jun 4, 2017 22:25:05 GMT -5
In the book Los Bilitos it says Milnor Rudolph was a mason. He was head of the coroner's report.
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Post by 1881- on Sept 28, 2018 7:24:07 GMT -5
Oliver Loving was a mason. The masonic symbol is one his tombstone. One website I've seen claims Charles Goodnight was also a mason.
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Post by Daren Warriner on Aug 7, 2021 22:37:53 GMT -5
I haven't seen much reference to the Freemason connections among the Santa Fe Ring and the Lincoln County War. Practically everyone on the Dolan-Murphy side were Masons. Most of the McSween side were not. Pat Garrett was a Mason and deputy Poe was a very decorated Mason himself. Digging into this angle could open up new information and certainly would make for some interesting theories. There could be Masonic records from those times that could provide interesting info. Possibilities this opens up: Poe and Garrett being brother Masons - Poe would not refute Garrett's story. Some say Billy was a Mason - I personally doubt it - but if he was, Garrett is not going to kill Billy. Anyway, the lodges keep records. Secret records, but possibly a rather un-tapped source of information. |
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Post by kerry on Aug 8, 2021 10:31:12 GMT -5
I haven't seen much reference to the Freemason connections among the Santa Fe Ring and the Lincoln County War. Practically everyone on the Dolan-Murphy side were Masons. Most of the McSween side were not. Pat Garrett was a Mason and deputy Poe was a very decorated Mason himself. Digging into this angle could open up new information and certainly would make for some interesting theories. There could be Masonic records from those times that could provide interesting info. Possibilities this opens up: Poe and Garrett being brother Masons - Poe would not refute Garrett's story. Some say Billy was a Mason - I personally doubt it - but if he was, Garrett is not going to kill Billy. Anyway, the lodges keep records. Secret records, but possibly a rather un-tapped source of information. [/ ] Perhaps more importantly -for Pat... Jimmy Dolan had powerful Republican connections -Poe was surprised when Garrett supported Dolan for Sherriff in the next elections .. was it because Pat wasn't supporting his fellow Lawman but Dolan who was so toxic in Lincoln County? Jimmy was trying to revive his fortunes after the LCW and Pat wanted to extend his new found fame into politics - they both lost... Poe won the election and did a good job for the people of Lincoln who would have shuddered at the mere thought of Dolan as Sherriff.. |
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Post by Don Williams on Dec 22, 2021 14:16:44 GMT -5
I have always said that the free masons was behind the lincoln co war the free masons control everything the law the courts political partys i just wonder if the two govenors were masons also
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Post by cassandra jane on Jan 6, 2022 10:43:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't know where to begin to try and research that but it surely is an interesting idea. Maybe one of our board members is a Mason and could help. Not a mason myself by any means but it turns out my grandfather is and so was his dad (and possibly more). Granted we’re talking British/Scottish Masons but I’ll be asking questions next time I visit him. |
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Post by tboor74 on Jan 6, 2022 12:13:28 GMT -5
Do we know if Billy was Protestant or Catholic (even nominally). That could be an interesting angle to follow down the Masonic route.
I don't know a great deal but I do know that the Masonic movement was Protestant (which I believe was largely Tunstall's side) and Catholics were (until recent times) banned from becoming Masons under threat of excommunication. Murphy's side were Irish Catholic I think?
I'm sure I read somewhere that Billy was Catholic even though he fought on Tunstall's side. Anyone know?
An interesting route to follow on many leads, find the governors' religions and you'll have a clue to their Masonic background.
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