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Post by RonBk on Sept 21, 2021 16:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by DanJohno on Sept 21, 2021 18:52:27 GMT -5
None of those guys sound very confident in their beliefs. Still looks pretty good though and I'll definitely watch it just to see what Steve Sederwall has to say.
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Post by kerry on Sept 21, 2021 19:30:29 GMT -5
None of those guys sound very confident in their beliefs. Still looks pretty good though and I'll definitely watch it just to see what Steve Sederwall has to say. Steve has probably shot his bolt.. this trial is another side show - the one person that can put this case to bed is Gale Cooper herself...only she has the standing and ability to open doors Steve could not - only Gale can take this to its conclusion...using DNA and Federal Court if necessary - its there for the taking...its there Gale.
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Post by Wayne Land on Sept 22, 2021 18:01:15 GMT -5
This show could offer some interesting insights but I don't like the title. It's like he actually thinks his show will provide the "final" word on it by having a so called "trial". NOT!
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Post by RonBk on Sept 23, 2021 4:12:18 GMT -5
This show could offer some interesting insights but I don't like the title. It's like he actually thinks his show will provide the "final" word on it by having a so called "trial". NOT! I agree, the title strongly indicates there is hubris involved. But we just have to wait and see, perhaps they have conclusive evidence that closes the case. Probably not though.
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Post by Wayne Land on Sept 23, 2021 11:52:13 GMT -5
I actually discussed this with him on another forum and suggested there was no proof. He said basically that he had not said they found proof, and that "final word" didn't mean proof. In other words he is trying to promote his film through false claims of it being the final word. In my opinion it cannot be the final word unless it provides proof. I imagine I'll watch it out of curiosity and hope to learn something from it. But I do object to it being promoted the way he's doing it.
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Post by leeb on Sept 23, 2021 13:02:55 GMT -5
We'll all watch it and then all the brushy's will be out claiming some sort of injustice and the rest of us will say 'wasn't a bad watch '. Did like the Historian/TV personality quote, I'd drop the former.
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Post by Elwood on Sept 24, 2021 0:00:05 GMT -5
I actually discussed this with him on another forum and suggested there was no proof. He said basically that he had not said they found proof, and that "final word" didn't mean proof. In other words he is trying to promote his film through false claims of it being the final word. In my opinion it cannot be the final word unless it provides proof. I imagine I'll watch it out of curiosity and hope to learn something from it. But I do object to it being promoted the way he's doing it. An interesting reply in the following 1992 magazine lets us know that the legend of Billy the Kid being shot by Pat Garrett in July 1881 can still be referred to by family members of those who may have known the truth: Arizona Highways magazine April 1992 Page 3 "Billy the Kid: The McKinney referred to in the Billy the Kid story (August 1991) was my grandfather. He used the nickname of Kip instead of Tip and lived in Arizona in the late 1800s. " "My grandfather and Pat Garrett were childhood buddies. After my grandfather died, my grandmother lived with us at Carlsbad, N.M. She once told us that "the Kid" was not shot by Garrett, but rather a Mexican boy was mistakenly shot that night, and it was agreed to bury him and tell everyone the kid was killed. " "My grandmother had numerous visits from writers and moviemakers for her story, but refused to talk to them. When our generation passes on, a direct link to the past will be gone. " Clyde T. McKinney Yuma, Arizona
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Post by leeb on Sept 25, 2021 12:17:25 GMT -5
Why would a 'Mexican Boy' be in Pete Maxwell's bedroom?
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Post by leeb on Sept 25, 2021 13:03:44 GMT -5
And if they knew anything they would have cashed in 100%.
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Post by kerry on Sept 25, 2021 14:37:55 GMT -5
Why would a 'Mexican Boy' be in Pete Maxwell's bedroom? The Mexican boy ( with a beard) had died prior to the shooting of Billy Barlow.... To make the deception- Pat and his accomplices had to act quickly to cover up the unauthorized killing. Contrary to what Pat said - the body had to be concealed and buried as soon as possible...and most importantly BTK had to be told not to attend anymore dances this side of the Mexican border. Brushy said the lawmen knew he was still at large because he had made contact with Mckinney along the porch - that Pat sent Celsa to let him know what was going down. The two versions are mutually exclusive - only one is nothing but the truth....which one ?
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Post by kerry on Sept 25, 2021 17:56:06 GMT -5
Why would a 'Mexican Boy' be in Pete Maxwell's bedroom? The Mexican boy ( with a beard) had died prior to the shooting of Billy Barlow.... To make the deception- Pat and his accomplices had to act quickly to cover up the unauthorized killing. Contrary to what Pat said - the body had to be concealed and buried as soon as possible...and most importantly BTK had to be told not to attend anymore dances this side of the Mexican border. Brushy said the lawmen knew he was still at large because he had made contact with Mckinney along the porch - that Pat sent Celsa to let him know what was going down. The two versions are mutually exclusive - only one is nothing but the truth....which one ? That parts of Pat's story aren't true - doesn't mean he didn't kill BTK... Simularly that some remarkable facts of Brushy's story are true - does'nt mean he was BTK. However for some people & Juries - either everything is true or nothing's true....they either like you or they don't. Pat's account of the shooting is that like all good heroes - he followed Maxwell out of the room : then - ever the hero- he is outside the room to prevent Poe from shooting poor Maxwell still trying to make his exit (confirmed by Poe ) How Pete Maxwell- lying ill in bed with Pat's second shot rebounding close by - managed to beat Pat out the door is hard to imagine especially since Pat was already stumbling towards the door when he fired the unaimed shot to cover his escape...
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Post by leeb on Sept 27, 2021 12:15:54 GMT -5
Why would a 'Mexican Boy' be in Pete Maxwell's bedroom? Think about what you just asked. Ft. Sumner, New Mexico was a largely Hispanic community. He does not necessarily have to be in his bedroom, he could be on the porch. Kip McKinney gave three different accounts of what happened and in two of them the person shot is not Billy, but a Hispanic and they were shot on the porch. Brushy, says that Barlow was shot on the porch. Think about what you just said, kip gave 3 different accounts! Rest My Case
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Post by leeb on Sept 27, 2021 12:46:57 GMT -5
3 different accounts proves that he was no more than a story teller a bit like the Billy Barlow folk song.
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Post by kerry on Sept 27, 2021 13:22:54 GMT -5
Think about what you just asked. Ft. Sumner, New Mexico was a largely Hispanic community. He does not necessarily have to be in his bedroom, he could be on the porch. Kip McKinney gave three different accounts of what happened and in two of them the person shot is not Billy, but a Hispanic and they were shot on the porch. Brushy, says that Barlow was shot on the porch. Think about what you just said, kip gave 3 different accounts! Rest My Case I believe the Mexican boy(with a beard) died prior to 14 July 1881...that John Miller (alias Billy Barlow) was shot by Pat Garrett in Pete Maxwell's bedroom at Fort Sumner....and that a few key hispanic families managed to save Miller's life and use the Mexican boy's body to conceal the fact that Miller was still alive.Sederwall confirmed what was always known that Miller had a wound consistent with that inflicted by Garrett...John Miller was married in Las Vegas N.M. a few short weeks after 14 July 1881 - he was seen in the church wearing a gun and having a bandaged chest...he and his wife had travelled slowly from Fort Sumner with a waggon supplies and a few head of cattle to make a new live as far west as they could. Billy Barlow was supposed to be dead - John would have feared death trom either Garrett or BTK had they had known he was still alive.
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