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Post by RonBk on Mar 22, 2024 2:53:32 GMT -5
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Post by nmjames on Mar 22, 2024 3:58:09 GMT -5
Ron, I have seen all this before. Show me any census or documents showing Oliver M. Lee lived in or was born in Buffalo Gap or Taylor County Texas before 1880. I went on Ancestry today and looked at a couple of family trees. They said he was born in Buffalo Gap but when they showed the year he was born, the 1870 census from Burnet County showed he was born there. The Altman and Lee family lived in Burnet County for several years. One of Oliver's half-sisters was born there in 1858 or 1859. She died in Taylor County in 1884 and is buried in the Abilene City Cemetery.
I can back up what I am saying but I won't post anything on here. If you want to give me your email address by PM, I will be glad to share what I have with you. If not, I understand.
nmjames
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Post by RonBk on Mar 22, 2024 6:58:29 GMT -5
If it census says he wasn't born in Buffalo Gap then most likely he wasn't, so I take it you are probably right. But still I wonder why so many sources says Buffalo Gap was his birthplace? Could it be they moved back and forth between those places? Either way there is still the strange coincidence both him and Brushy have at some point resided in the area and may have known eachother?
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Post by nmjames on Mar 22, 2024 7:35:36 GMT -5
RonBK,
Thanks for your back and forth on Oliver M. Lee. I have been to Buffalo Gap several times as well as Abilene, TX. doing research. I do research and look for facts. I am not a Brushy believer because of the research I have done but this is Wayne's site about Brushy Bill, and I am not here to argue with anyone. Keep looking and doing what research you can with an open mind.
Thanks again, nmjames
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Post by Repka on Mar 22, 2024 14:33:16 GMT -5
James is a friend of mine and an absolute authority on the history of the LCW and BTK. His research is second to none. He back's everything with facts when asked.
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Post by chivato88 on Mar 22, 2024 15:36:25 GMT -5
James is a friend of mine and an absolute authority on the history of the LCW and BTK. His research is second to none. He back's everything with facts when asked. I dont want to be rude but why does he still come here trying to convince us? Ive read a ton of books on BTK and I still believe that Brushy and Billy are one person. Garrett's story is far from true, and the coroner's jury was total bs. Again Im not trying to provoke any of you...
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Post by chivato88 on Mar 22, 2024 15:50:04 GMT -5
Im asking this because on social media, Brushy supporters are not accepted on BTK fan pages, you are allowed to have discussions but why is that your friends dont want anything to do with us? Some of your friends are even members here, but dont participate to any discussions. They just come and troll around, why is that? Can you explain?
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 22, 2024 22:01:40 GMT -5
I'm still curious what the "L" stands for. Does anyone know?
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Post by nmjames on Mar 22, 2024 22:47:12 GMT -5
Wayne,
Do you think the "L" may have stood for Lone? Brushy went by Lone Brushy Bill back in the 1916 newspaper article.
Just a guess.
nmjames
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Post by MissyS on Mar 23, 2024 11:42:39 GMT -5
I'm still curious what the "L" stands for. Does anyone know? View AttachmentGreat question. I tried searching and couldn’t find any reference to the meaning or what the initial L stands for? “Lone” is a good guess as nmjames suggests. I wondered too if the L could have possibly stood for “Loving” in memory of Oliver Loving? He was a rancher and cattle driver that teamed up with Charles Goodnight and developed the Goodnight-Loving trail, Oliver Loving died from a wound from a Comanche attack and died in Fort Sumner in 1867. It may be a lame guess however.
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 23, 2024 15:27:36 GMT -5
I think there are two overall possibilities. 1) The cousin whose name Brushy took was actually an undocumented Oliver "L" Roberts rather than Oliver P. Roberts, or 2) He chose the initial "L" because of some acquaintance he admired and wanted to "be like". Could it be a reference to Oliver Lee? In either case, the use of the middle initial "L" rather than "P" has always been, to me, a major red flag that says he was not the real Oliver P. Roberts. Otherwise, why change the middle initial at all.
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Post by RonBk on Mar 23, 2024 17:02:07 GMT -5
I'll second your assertion Wayne. On another note, what's the story with the two different P names, Pleasant/Partridge?
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Post by nmjames on Mar 24, 2024 1:08:38 GMT -5
Wayne,
Are you saying that Brushy never lived with the Henry O. Roberts family or used the name Oliver P. Roberts? We know he did so to add another cousin, Oliver L. Roberts into the mix, you have William H. Roberts and Oliver L. Roberts who both must have looked so much like Oliver P. that his family couldn't tell them apart. How would that work?
nmjames
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Post by nmjames on Mar 24, 2024 1:32:23 GMT -5
Wayne,
Do you remember when Brushy first used the name Oliver L. Roberts? I think it was in 1944 but may be wrong.
Thanks, nmjames
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Post by djmatt on Mar 24, 2024 8:11:45 GMT -5
I'll second your assertion Wayne. On another note, what's the story with the two different P names, Pleasant/Partridge? I believe he never used a P. Wasnt that falsley reported in the Tunstil book?
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