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Post by bloodybeaver on Oct 29, 2021 1:48:46 GMT -5
Just curious if there's a death certificate for Brushy. Considering he died in 1950 I'd assume there must be. The only question is, what name is it under? Oliver or William Henry?
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Post by tboor74 on Oct 29, 2021 7:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by tboor74 on Oct 29, 2021 7:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by texas truth teller on Oct 29, 2021 11:15:48 GMT -5
Just curious if there's a death certificate for Brushy. Considering he died in 1950 I'd assume there must be. The only question is, what name is it under? Oliver or William Henry? Texas death certificate #58415. Ollie L Roberts. DOB - Dec 31, 1868. DOD - Dec 27, 1950. POB - Taylor County, Texas. POD - Hico, Texas. Father - unknown. Mother - unknown. Informant - Malinda E Roberts. Interment -Hamilton Cemetery. Viewable on LDS Family Search website. |
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 29, 2021 18:58:50 GMT -5
The death certificate is one of the reasons I believe Brushy's claim. Notice the name is "Ollie L. Roberts" not "Oliver Pleasant Roberts" and the birth year is 1868 not 1879. If he really was Oliver Pleasant Roberts then I'd think Malinda would have known that and provided the correct information.
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Post by texas truth teller on Oct 29, 2021 21:30:28 GMT -5
The death certificate is one of the reasons I believe Brushy's claim. Notice the name is "Ollie L. Roberts" not "Oliver Pleasant Roberts" and the birth year is 1868 not 1879. If he really was Oliver Pleasant Roberts then I'd think Malinda would have known that and provided the correct information. But then, the man himself registered for the WWI draft as Oliver Pleasant Roberts, and said he was born 26 August 1878 (sic). And Ollie is a common nickname for Oliver. It is nothing more than an assumption that Brushy would have provided Malinda with accurate facts about his birth name, birth date, and birthplace. |
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Post by DanJohno on Oct 30, 2021 8:39:43 GMT -5
The death certificate is one of the reasons I believe Brushy's claim. Notice the name is "Ollie L. Roberts" not "Oliver Pleasant Roberts" and the birth year is 1868 not 1879. If he really was Oliver Pleasant Roberts then I'd think Malinda would have known that and provided the correct information. But then, the man himself registered for the WWI draft as Oliver Pleasant Roberts, and said he was born 26 August 1878 (sic). And Ollie is a common nickname for Oliver. It is nothing more than an assumption that Brushy would have provided Malinda with accurate facts about his birth name, birth date, and birthplace. But why did he change his birth date so many times? Also is Bill a common nickname for Oliver? |
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Post by texas truth teller on Nov 2, 2021 0:02:25 GMT -5
But then, the man himself registered for the WWI draft as Oliver Pleasant Roberts, and said he was born 26 August 1878 (sic). And Ollie is a common nickname for Oliver. It is nothing more than an assumption that Brushy would have provided Malinda with accurate facts about his birth name, birth date, and birthplace. But why did he change his birth date so many times? Also is Bill a common nickname for Oliver? I guess you're asking why Oliver P Roberts changed his name so many times. His birth year was 1879 +/- 1 year in the 1880, 1900, 1910, 1920, and 1930 census, and the WWI draft registration. After 1830, his birth year did change. In the 1940 census, it is about 1870. His death certificate and initial cemetery marker show a birth year of 1868. No credible record has ever been found that indicates a birth year of 1859. |
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Post by DanJohno on Nov 2, 2021 5:44:09 GMT -5
But why did he change his birth date so many times? Also is Bill a common nickname for Oliver? I guess you're asking why Oliver P Roberts changed his name so many times. His birth year was 1879 +/- 1 year in the 1880, 1900, 1910, 1920, and 1930 census, and the WWI draft registration. After 1830, his birth year did change. In the 1940 census, it is about 1870. His death certificate and initial cemetery marker show a birth year of 1868. No credible record has ever been found that indicates a birth year of 1859. Does this mean you are saying all the census records with wrong birth dates are credible? |
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Post by Texas truth teller on Nov 2, 2021 8:59:20 GMT -5
I guess you're asking why Oliver P Roberts changed his name so many times. His birth year was 1879 +/- 1 year in the 1880, 1900, 1910, 1920, and 1930 census, and the WWI draft registration. After 1830, his birth year did change. In the 1940 census, it is about 1870. His death certificate and initial cemetery marker show a birth year of 1868. No credible record has ever been found that indicates a birth year of 1859. Does this mean you are saying all the census records with wrong birth dates are credible? Absolutely!! Oliver's age in census records 1880 through 1930 is consistent, and is confirmed by the information he provided in his WWI draft registration. (Men born in 1859 were not required to register.) His birth year is further confirmed in the letter from his niece, Geneva Pittmon Roberts. |
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Post by devorerd on Nov 2, 2021 10:58:06 GMT -5
Does this mean you are saying all the census records with wrong birth dates are credible? Absolutely!! Oliver's age in census records 1880 through 1930 is consistent, and is confirmed by the information he provided in his WWI draft registration. (Men born in 1859 were not required to register.) His birth year is further confirmed in the letter from his niece, Geneva Pittmon Roberts. Since Pitmon never actually met Brushy and Brushy was not Oliver P. Roberts, this has zero merit. As the judge said in "A Few Good Men.."..."Haven't we covered this already counselor?". |
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Post by DanJohno on Nov 2, 2021 23:14:48 GMT -5
Does this mean you are saying all the census records with wrong birth dates are credible? Absolutely!! Oliver's age in census records 1880 through 1930 is consistent, and is confirmed by the information he provided in his WWI draft registration. (Men born in 1859 were not required to register.) His birth year is further confirmed in the letter from his niece, Geneva Pittmon Roberts. A wrong birth date makes a census record credible?! I'm not trying to provoke you but I'm getting more and more confused with your interpretation of the word credible. |
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Post by RonBk on Nov 3, 2021 0:16:37 GMT -5
Once you decided you know the truth - all that supports your chosen narrative becomes credible while everything that points in the opposite direction gets labeled not credible. Sometimes you can tell who is thinking like that by just looking at a members chosen username. When the username contains words like truth you know what you are dealing with.
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Post by devorerd on Nov 3, 2021 6:48:19 GMT -5
Once you decided you know the truth - all that supports your chosen narrative becomes credible while everything that points in the opposite direction gets labeled not credible. Sometimes you can tell who is thinking like that by just looking at a members chosen username. When the username contains words like truth you know what you are dealing with. Commonly known as the Neo-Historian philosophy. |
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Post by kerry on Nov 3, 2021 8:45:23 GMT -5
Once you decided you know the truth - all that supports your chosen narrative becomes credible while everything that points in the opposite direction gets labeled not credible. Sometimes you can tell who is thinking like that by just looking at a members chosen username. When the username contains words like truth you know what you are dealing with. Commonly known as the Neo-Historian philosophy. After 1881 - BTK would have done and said whatever was necessary to survive in a society bent on exterminating him....simularly Native Americans after 1876 : to dismiss them now as pathalogical liars - shows the bias of those who preserve authorised history.... A strand of hair authenticated Sitting Bull's descendants - but they always knew who they were without today's DNA...simularly too Brushy Bill Roberts. |
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