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Post by dallashunt on Oct 28, 2010 20:13:30 GMT -5
Hey guys! I have all of the books below on Brushy. I am not totally convinced that Brushy was Billy. I know however that he had to have been there or known alot of people who had been there because he knew too much. So as a result I want to know as much as I can on him. Are there any other rare books, booklets,pamphlets or unpublished manuscripts on Brushy that y'all can direct me to or help me get my hands on? Thanks!
These are the ones I've got:
"Alias Billy the Kid," by C. L. Sonnichsen & W. V Morrison, 1955
"Billy the Kid & Me Were the Same," by Dr. William A. Tunstill, 1988 signed by the author.
"The Trial of Billy the Kid," by Judge Bobby E. Hefner, 1990
I have Billy the Kid: Killed in New Mexico---Died in Texas," by Dr. Jannay Valdez & Judge Bobby E. Hefner, 1995 signed by both of the authors.
"The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid," by W. C. Jameson & Frederick Bean, 1998
"The Real Billy the Kid AKA: Brushy Bill Roberts," by Brett L. Hall, 2004
"Billy the Kid Beyond the Grave" by W. C. Jameson, 2005
Jesse James The Outlaw by Henry J. Walker, 1961 (Has some good interviews with Brushy)
What am I missing can y'all help me get my hands on stuff I dont have? Brushy's story is really fascinating to me, thanks if y'all can help
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Post by dallashunt on Nov 1, 2010 22:58:02 GMT -5
Anyone? I just want to get as much stuff on brushy as possible. Booklets ,pamphlets whatever name your price. I heard there is a whole book lenght manuscript that was never pressed but is floating around. Hit me back thanks Dallas Hunt
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Post by timmerberg on May 31, 2011 21:54:49 GMT -5
i guess if you wanted to buy Jim Johnson's book titled 'And His Real Name Was.' It talks about Brushy all the way through and misquotes him and trashes him unfairly. There were a couple of minor things unrelated to Brushy that I found interesting in it. I think there is a new book called 'The Pretenders.' I think its fun to read interviews with old-timers, most of them come from what's called the WPA files. Trying to match up thier stories with things Brushy said. One man said he did not believe the kid was killed because no one could find his horse afterwards, of course Brushy claimed to have rode out on his horse so it wouldn't be there. Another interview you can see in the book 'They knew Billy the Kid' a woman states that the Kid jokingly told Pat Garret it was his birthday at Stinking Springs on Dec. 23. and that's pretty close to Dec. 31 which is what Brushy claimed. was the Kid's birthday on his mind because it was coming up in a week? There are many more better examples but i just thought these too would be interesting for someone to read.
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Post by devinb on Jun 21, 2011 10:15:41 GMT -5
Just look at my image comparisons in another thread under "Billy the Kid VS Brushy Bill"—the faces match perfectly.
I'm not surprised if facts are jumbled about Brushy Bill..."Billy the Kid", like Jesse James, has a legend bigger than the real man now, which makes it a challenge to get the truth out.
In my heart, I am convinced the man in the iconic tintype attributed to the only authentic image of the Kid, AND the clean-cut gentleman in a later picture from roughly that same period (moustached, suited, groomed) are one-in-the-same.
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Post by devinb on Jun 23, 2011 8:01:20 GMT -5
Tell me these aren't the same person... Attachments:
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Post by devinb on Jun 23, 2011 8:01:55 GMT -5
Tell me these aren't the same person... Attachments:
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Post by Marsha on Aug 14, 2011 12:40:56 GMT -5
Just read The Pretenders by Gale Cooper. Don't waste your time. She is unbelievable. I have been to Hico and met with and talked to Judge Hefner. He is a remarkable man and well spoken and full of knowledge. I have collected every written word on Brushy, too. Geat subject.
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Post by Wayne Land on Aug 17, 2011 22:25:27 GMT -5
It's great to hear he's still doing well. I was there in October 2006. I had been to Canton, TX to visit the museum of Dr. Jannay Valdez who had been very cordial, allowed me to park my RV on the museum property and use his electricity. Jannay even gave me a key so I could go in and out of the museum back room files at will. Then to top it all off he contacted Judge Hefner and Jannay and I both visited the Judge in Hico. Judge Hefner allowed me to borrow an unpublished manuscript written by Ola Everhardt. I scanned the entire thing and made a PDF out of it, but sadly it has been lost now.
Judge Hefner and Dr. Valdez are very close friends and actually wrote a book together. What I carried away from that night in Hico, more than anything else, was a firm conviction that both of them absolutely believed Brushy's story. There was no desire to do anything but find or prove the truth.
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Post by devinb on Aug 20, 2011 16:41:55 GMT -5
I would love to spend time in Hico someday—soak it in and pay my respects.
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Post by B Graham on Dec 6, 2011 21:52:26 GMT -5
My family has legend of my ggfather having fled Texas because he killed someone in arkansas after the civil war. The family lore was he met Billy the kid in the sometime around the turn of the century. they stole a calf together for food, slaughtered it to satisfy immediate hunger and parted ways, he purportedly told folks that the kid was not dead and he had met him.
This past weekend a geneology website offered lookups, I looked up my ggfather, William Harwell, even saw his confederate Pension application, and census listings......they say he lived in Hico Texas and Hamilton Texas"........he died in the 1920's"
A friend told me about Brushy Bill, I looked it up tonight online....He Died in Hico Tx.......Coincidence, I think not
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Post by Wayne Land on Dec 7, 2011 19:16:25 GMT -5
That doesn't sound like a coincidence to me. That's an amazing story, which means that Brushy was making his true identity known at least to some people as far back as around 1900. That's very significant. Thank you so much for sharing that!!
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Post by Wayne Land on Dec 8, 2011 20:43:50 GMT -5
Another thought on the above. Brushy was always known to look younger than his real age. In fact many disbelievers say he didn't look 90 when he died and that he was actually born in 1879 rather than 1859 making it impossible for him to have been BTK. Now we have a story, a believable story, from a witness that met him @ 1900. If Brushy was actually born in 1879 he would have been just 21 years old at the time, whereas the real BTK would have been @ 41. A great deal happens in the aging process between the age of 21 and 41. For William Harwell to have met Brushy at the age of 21 and believed he was a 41 year old BTK is too big a stretch of the imagination. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either Brushy looked young for his age in which case, if he was born in 1879, he would have looked like a mere teen ager to William Harwell, or he was older than 21 at the time.
I don't know if I explained all that clearly, but to me, it is very strong evidence that Brushy was indeed born @ 1859 as he claimed he was and offers meaningful support to the claim that he was the one and only Billy The Kid.
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Post by searcher64 on Dec 9, 2011 18:47:40 GMT -5
you guys make some great points above. i always thought that about billy, when they said in the late 1870s that he was 18 and looked every bit the age of 14. which brings me to a point about the wm bonney/born in nyc myth. on the net i found the story of the beat cops who processed michael mcCarty, and the newspaper accounts. this michael mcCarty supposedly was removed from the situation by his father edward. on the surface it sounds quite convincing, but the reports, from 1874, describe michael as being much older than later descriptions of btk would. suppposedly, mcCarty was never seen again, and so he must've gone to new mexico, that was the thinking. i don't know what happened to him, but this michael mcCarty must've been born 1854-1856, and looked his age, or he was born even earlier than that. hardly the 'age 18 and looked 14' they describe billy as being, later in the decade.
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Post by brianthedude on Feb 19, 2012 11:46:06 GMT -5
From "Jesse James and the Lost Cause" -- 1961, by Jesse Lee James (a.k.a. Orvus Howk) -- allegedly quoting J. Frank Dalton (Jesse James), pg. 48-49:
"Mexico meant a lot to we fellows. In the year of 1910, once again some serious trouble was brewing. I owned a ranch in Chihuahua, State of Sonora, in Mexico. A tough guy, Diaz, sent the Federal Mexican army to surround our ranch. I wasn't there, but every one of my cowboys were killed except three of them, all by Diaz' men. When my boys sent for me and told me what happened to my ranch down there, I was madder'n a hornet, and so would you be. There was no excuse for what Diaz did to our outfit down there. Never underestimate the reaction of the other fellow. Bill Roberts, my ranch manager down there, an Indian, and my son Jesse F.B. James, were the only men to escape Diaz' raid. They fought their way out and into Texas."
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Post by chivato1011 on Oct 2, 2012 11:12:25 GMT -5
Has anyone read Billy the kid, the lost interviews, fairly new book.
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