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Post by onlyaguest on Oct 16, 2022 12:02:36 GMT -5
Ms. Roberts you are related to Billy the Kid alias Brushy Bill Roberts?
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Post by paddyrobertstx on Oct 20, 2022 6:31:48 GMT -5
i'm just doing some digging trying to finalise a family tree.
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Post by garyabc on Apr 10, 2023 17:14:46 GMT -5
This a very exciting thread. I have no new info. But playing detective i have a theory. When the deputy Marshal showed up at Garrett's ranch with the theory that Billy was hanging around the old fort Garrett denied Billy would be that stupid. But reluctantly agreed to investigate after some nagging. With this in mind we can begin to unravel the braids of the official story. If Garrett did not fire the shot but either of the deputies did then Pat would have repeated his assertion that Billy was not there. Having made the assertion they were in a corner. So they changed the names of the shooter and the denier. Pat shot and the shooter denied would be their bluff. They had a very bad hand. They played it masterfully. My theory of the accidental murder of a hungry Mexican. Ponder the danger of their situation.
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Post by garyabc on Apr 10, 2023 17:18:25 GMT -5
This a very exciting thread. I have no new info. But playing detective i have a theory. When the deputy Marshal showed up at Garrett's ranch with the theory that Billy was hanging around the old fort Garrett denied Billy would be that stupid. But reluctantly agreed to investigate after some nagging. With this in mind we can begin to unravel the braids of the official story. If Garrett did not fire the shot but either of the deputies did then Pat would have repeated his assertion that Billy was not there. Having made the assertion they were in a corner. So they changed the names of the shooter and the denier. Pat shot and the shooter denied would be their bluff. They had a very bad hand. They played it masterfully. My theory of the accidental murder of a hungry Mexican. Ponder the danger of their situation.
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Post by garyabc on Apr 10, 2023 17:46:30 GMT -5
in response to Billy Believer. I agree that Billy did not die that night. Brushy has the strongest case for being the man the Kid grew up to be. Having said that to the night of the shooting. Brushy and the Kid were proficient liars(at least). In the original book presenting Brushy's story the legal assistant admitted that on occasion he found Brushy's answers unnacceptable. On these occassions he would threaten Brushy. Brushy would then change his story to more closely match expectations. Was the shootout one of these occassions? Either way the wounds Brushy claimed for that night are better explained by a firefight that occured in Indian Territory. From the beginning Brushy stated his goal. A pardon for Billy. Without help his goal was hopeless. Brushy was an intelligent man. He had lied and killed to survive. A few more lies were a small price to pay.
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Post by garyabc on Apr 10, 2023 17:47:02 GMT -5
in response to Billy Believer. I agree that Billy did not die that night. Brushy has the strongest case for being the man the Kid grew up to be. Having said that to the night of the shooting. Brushy and the Kid were proficient liars(at least). In the original book presenting Brushy's story the legal assistant admitted that on occasion he found Brushy's answers unnacceptable. On these occassions he would threaten Brushy. Brushy would then change his story to more closely match expectations. Was the shootout one of these occassions? Either way the wounds Brushy claimed for that night are better explained by a firefight that occured in Indian Territory. From the beginning Brushy stated his goal. A pardon for Billy. Without help his goal was hopeless. Brushy was an intelligent man. He had lied and killed to survive. A few more lies were a small price to pay.
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Post by garyabc on Apr 10, 2023 17:58:03 GMT -5
sorry for double posts. I am incompetent on computers. Thanks for your forgiveness.
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Post by Ferd on Oct 7, 2023 17:49:01 GMT -5
Mr. Land, the previous posted picture and writing on your website Aug. 5, 2014, is "not" Celsa Gutierrez. The photo was posted by Brett L. Hall (BrushyBret@aol.com) before 2010. B. Hall made absolutely no reply to me where it was questioned of his evidence regarding this photo. As the Grt. Grt. Grandson of Sabal & Celsa Gutierrez, I confirm there are no published or authenticated photos of Celsa on the internet nor any website. Please remove. If you have any questions, please contact me through this website, I will be frequently viewing. Thank you.
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Post by Ferd on Oct 7, 2023 17:54:11 GMT -5
I'm looking at a picture of Celsa Gutierrez right now. It's on the Back to Billy podcast. If that's not her you might want to contact the person that owns it. The title is " Did Celsa Gutierrez have Billy the Kids Baby".
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 7, 2023 19:29:23 GMT -5
Ferd, I do not know what website you are referring to. My only website, other than this message board, Is called "Searching For The Kid" musicpla9.wixsite.com/searchingforthekid and there is no photo of Celia Gutierrez included anywhere on the site. I have nothing to do with the "Back To Billy" site. Can you be more specific about what page you're viewing that concerns you?
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