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Post by lacowboy on May 21, 2019 6:58:39 GMT -5
Lalacowboy you are a complete and utter fruit loop my FRIEND xx An old pal of mine had a saying that you can't educate an IDIOT and you are the latter. God's waiting room is a very boring and vindictive place to be but just embrace it. Go jim Johnson, go jim Johnson leeb, Are you referring to this saying, "You can't fix stupid." Jim Johnson really upset the apple cart with his book, "Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was..." His conclusion was the same as that of Roy Haws, a distant relative of Brushy Bill. Brushy Bill was Oliver P Roberts. Skeptics have not proved otherwise in the 69 years since his death, no matter how many theories and excuses have been offered.
And no one not even you has proven that he was Jim on e again a failure! |
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Post by leeb on May 21, 2019 13:23:40 GMT -5
Of course I know what I'm talking about my friend. The reply you received from myself is self-explanatree,and b4 you say it i know that ain't spelt right. Brushy wasn't the kid in my opinion and that goes for others on this board but attacks on family in my opinion is wrong. Feel free to abuse me if you wish because that is something that I can and will deal with at your request. Regards xx[/quote That's what they call Stockholm syndrome. You must have been one of Jim's victims. If you seek help you can get away from loving to be abused. It could even help you to not abuse others as is the norm for people who have been through what you must have endured at the hands of your abuser. Resist your temptation. By the way I'm not your friend. perhaps patty Hearst was Swedish?? |
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Post by lacowboy on May 21, 2019 13:35:31 GMT -5
perhaps patty Hearst was Swedish?? What a shame. Brains are a terrible thing to waste. Good luck improving yours. Therapy helps, seek help. |
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Post by leeb on May 21, 2019 14:14:47 GMT -5
What a shame. Brains are a terrible thing to waste. Good luck improving yours. Therapy helps, seek help. we are all waiting and hoping for a new piece of Billy/brushy information to surface, until then I'll amuse myself anyway I feel necessary.! |
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Post by lacowboy on May 21, 2019 14:53:17 GMT -5
we are all waiting and hoping for a new piece of Billy/brushy information to surface, until then I'll amuse myself anyway I feel necessary.! It dosen't take much brain activity to amuse one's self seek help. |
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Post by leeb on May 21, 2019 15:39:44 GMT -5
It dosen't take much brain activity to amuse one's self seek help. I'm really enjoying this wee bit of banter!seems to me Mr Lala that when the shoes on the other foot you don't appreciate it very much. My brain and knowledge is probably far more reciprocated than you could imagine. Look forward to hearing from you, regards x |
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Post by Wayne Land on May 27, 2019 11:32:16 GMT -5
I know it can be tempting to lash out at someone. I've done a bit of it myself I guess. But I do reserve the option to delete posts that have nothing to do with Billy The Kid or some old west topic. That would include posts that contain nothing more than personal attacks. Please try and bring this thread back on topic guys. I value all of our members' participation.
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Post by leeb on May 27, 2019 13:02:00 GMT -5
I know it can be tempting to lash out at someone. I've done a bit of it myself I guess. But I do reserve the option to delete posts that have nothing to do with Billy The Kid or some old west topic. That would include posts that contain nothing more than personal attacks. Please try and bring this thread back on topic guys. I value all of our members' participation. [ fully understand Wayne but banter and sarcasm isn't really a personal attack, involving family is, perhaps certain people should take that on board |
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Post by chivato88 on May 27, 2019 17:03:52 GMT -5
fully understand Wayne but banter and sarcasm isn't really a personal attack, involving family is, perhaps certain people should take that on board [/quote]
No offense but sarcasm is a thing Im not interested of reading here
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Post by Wayne Land on May 28, 2019 12:02:51 GMT -5
Possibly a good measuring stick would be this. Before you post something in response to another member, make sure it contains information that people other than that member might "enjoy" reading about or learning about.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 22:10:33 GMT -5
The irony for me is some members of Roberts family insist that he wasn't Billy The Kid, and even wrote a book about it. After all, The Brushy Bill Debunk Society is allegedly run by one of the relatives.
For me, the irony is this:
-They ought to know better that books written by people who were not eyewitnesses to the events (like Roy Haws) or hearsay from second or third hand information (like Geneva Pittmon) is not enough to discredit or prove Roberts claims.
-Therefore, since the family is the only ones who have the legal authority to exhume the body--- then it is their civic duty to prove their claim that Brushy Bill Roberts was not Billy The Kid, and that's the only surefire way to do that.
-An exhumation would answer a few questions about Brushy Bill Roberts:
1) Just how old was he when he died; modern science can determine whether he was born in 1859, 1861, 1868, or 1878.
2) Whether his alleged injuries line up with the documented injuries of Billy The Kid.
3) Whether his DNA results show he's Geneva Pittmon's uncle or is her cousin, since he claimed he wasn't Ollie Roberts but rather assumed his cousin's identity.
4) IF it shows he's her cousin rather than her uncle, then a DNA test needs done with the living descendants of either the McCarty's or Antrim's, because according to Brushy's claims Mrs McCarty was his aunt. If a living descendant cannot be found, then an exhumation of a known descendant must be compared.
5) IF it shows he is indeed the nephew of Mrs McCarty, then the next step would be to exhume the mass grave in New Mexico. IF all the remains there are nothing more than Hispanics or biracials, then Roberts story of "Billy Barlow" is true.
6) IF that test passes, then Brushy's DNA can be put into the various databases (ie, Ancestry) and find possible relatives out there to interconnect the real family tree of Billy The Kid.
7) However, if #1 & #2 & #3 do not line up in any way shape or form the remaining steps are unnecessary to take although it would be interesting to have his DNA in the database because it'd clear up (possibly) the remaining question of, "Who was he then?"
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Post by Elwood on Nov 19, 2019 23:50:16 GMT -5
According to the March 2019 issue of the Wild West History Association Journal, Billy the Kid's younger brother Joseph Antrim, who died in 1930 in Denver, was actually buried in a grave. His body had been donated to the Medical College after he died, but there is an actual burial permit out there somewhere. There was a listing of such burial permits published in the newspaper in late 1930, but no one seems to know what became of the permit for Joseph. Joseph also had been a deputy sheriff in Colorado, and was also married. It appears that he had a son, of which, there are photos of in this issue. If the burial permit could be found, it likely has a burial location, which would probably be a paupers grave in one of the large cemeteries in Denver. If DNA could be tested on Joseph Antrim, that could lead to who Catherine McCarty Antrim was, and the trail could be more certain to follow. This is all interesting info. Thanks! I agree, Wayne, that it does sound like some people are afraid of what might be discovered. I supposed if you have a vested interest, such as a museum, tourist attraction, grave site, etc., you don't want your position proved wrong. However, it would seem to me an honorable thing to put your money where your mouth is and have your point proven or disproven once and for all. I hope Steve Sederwell hasn't given up on Brushy, because to me, he is the only legitimate possibility of Billy living past 1881. In the piece above on the Hamilton Council vote, there's a quote......... "My concern is that there may be some relatives who might come forward and say they weren't consulted," said Bill Funderburk, Hamilton city administrator. "The conservative way to do this is in the courts." Do you know what this means? Would Mr. Sederwell, or whoever, file a request with a court? Not sure how this would work. Does anyone know if this action was ever taken or is being considered. If not, it sounds like the Steve Sederwell investigation may be over. I hope not. My name is Mark, by the way........ |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 0:58:43 GMT -5
According to the March 2019 issue of the Wild West History Association Journal, Billy the Kid's younger brother Joseph Antrim, who died in 1930 in Denver, was actually buried in a grave. His body had been donated to the Medical College after he died, but there is an actual burial permit out there somewhere. There was a listing of such burial permits published in the newspaper in late 1930, but no one seems to know what became of the permit for Joseph. Joseph also had been a deputy sheriff in Colorado, and was also married. It appears that he had a son, of which, there are photos of in this issue. If the burial permit could be found, it likely has a burial location, which would probably be a paupers grave in one of the large cemeteries in Denver. If DNA could be tested on Joseph Antrim, that could lead to who Catherine McCarty Antrim was, and the trail could be more certain to follow. This is all interesting info. Thanks! I agree, Wayne, that it does sound like some people are afraid of what might be discovered. I supposed if you have a vested interest, such as a museum, tourist attraction, grave site, etc., you don't want your position proved wrong. However, it would seem to me an honorable thing to put your money where your mouth is and have your point proven or disproven once and for all. I hope Steve Sederwell hasn't given up on Brushy, because to me, he is the only legitimate possibility of Billy living past 1881. In the piece above on the Hamilton Council vote, there's a quote......... "My concern is that there may be some relatives who might come forward and say they weren't consulted," said Bill Funderburk, Hamilton city administrator. "The conservative way to do this is in the courts." Do you know what this means? Would Mr. Sederwell, or whoever, file a request with a court? Not sure how this would work. Does anyone know if this action was ever taken or is being considered. If not, it sounds like the Steve Sederwell investigation may be over. I hope not. My name is Mark, by the way........ I always assumed his body was in the university. So that definitely gives us hope to locate the grave. Then again, worst case scenario, the flesh and organs were buried but the skeleton is in the university somewhere. That was typically the case with bodies donated to science like "The Elephant Man" Joseph Carey Merrick, where he has a grave but his skeleton is still on display. Jesus willing that wasn't the case for Mr. Antrim. |
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Post by MissyS on Nov 20, 2019 1:28:31 GMT -5
According to the March 2019 issue of the Wild West History Association Journal, Billy the Kid's younger brother Joseph Antrim, who died in 1930 in Denver, was actually buried in a grave. His body had been donated to the Medical College after he died, but there is an actual burial permit out there somewhere. There was a listing of such burial permits published in the newspaper in late 1930, but no one seems to know what became of the permit for Joseph. Joseph also had been a deputy sheriff in Colorado, and was also married. It appears that he had a son, of which, there are photos of in this issue. If the burial permit could be found, it likely has a burial location, which would probably be a paupers grave in one of the large cemeteries in Denver. If DNA could be tested on Joseph Antrim, that could lead to who Catherine McCarty Antrim was, and the trail could be more certain to follow. This is all interesting info. Thanks! I agree, Wayne, that it does sound like some people are afraid of what might be discovered. I supposed if you have a vested interest, such as a museum, tourist attraction, grave site, etc., you don't want your position proved wrong. However, it would seem to me an honorable thing to put your money where your mouth is and have your point proven or disproven once and for all. I hope Steve Sederwell hasn't given up on Brushy, because to me, he is the only legitimate possibility of Billy living past 1881. In the piece above on the Hamilton Council vote, there's a quote......... "My concern is that there may be some relatives who might come forward and say they weren't consulted," said Bill Funderburk, Hamilton city administrator. "The conservative way to do this is in the courts." Do you know what this means? Would Mr. Sederwell, or whoever, file a request with a court? Not sure how this would work. Does anyone know if this action was ever taken or is being considered. If not, it sounds like the Steve Sederwell investigation may be over. I hope not. My name is Mark, by the way........ I didn't know Joseph Antrim had been married and had a son, this is surprising info, if this is true could the son's DNA be used for comparison?, it may be another alternative? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 2:23:23 GMT -5
I'll add further to the naysayers who claim no DNA could be extracted from the graves.
If one ever looks up JAMES TOUR the world famous molecular chemist, he's announced not long ago that they've created a far more expansive test for determining not just family lineage but point of origin.
What's known as a "genetic electronic chip", that breaks down everything to the atoms and can determine precisely where you came from, etc.
Basically, all one needs is a bone and that'll be broken down to the atoms and see the entire genetic map of the individual; not unlike how a piece of metal is run through a laser and they can tell you that the metal was mined in a specific region of France 400 years ago.
Science has gone beyond DNA in the 21st century. As Tour points out, "For $100 you'll get your entire genetic code and everything that entails in an hour."
In the case of the bodies at Fort Sumner and Silver City, that's the most likely way to ever yield information from. Unless, of course, the bodies have completely dematerialized.
Jesus bless you all 😊
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