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Jun 25, 2021 8:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by DanJohno on Jun 25, 2021 8:09:51 GMT -5
Isn't Daniel Edwards researching to write a book about Jesse James and how his robberies may have been funding the civil war? I reckon Daniel will reveal a lot about Dalton.
I reckon Daniel is sitting on some gold nuggets of evidence that he's discovered and his next book is gunna blow our minds.
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Post by tboor74 on Jun 25, 2021 9:04:12 GMT -5
Dalton is a very interesting character and worth looking into, the link to Brushy makes him part of this tale anyway.
Even if he wasn't JJ there's so much he did seem to know. The tale about the password is astonishing... if true....look it up. He had claimed to be other people too mind so shovelfuls of salt are required....who knows.
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Jun 25, 2021 9:36:57 GMT -5
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Post by DanJohno on Jun 25, 2021 9:36:57 GMT -5
As of right now I'm suddenly very interested in this Dalton guy. But by just mentioning Dalton I can literally feel TTT firing up his keyboard right now.
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Jun 25, 2021 14:06:58 GMT -5
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Post by leeb on Jun 25, 2021 14:06:58 GMT -5
As of right now I'm suddenly very interested in this Dalton guy. But by just mentioning Dalton I can literally feel TTT firing up his keyboard right now. Dalton and Brushy...2 peas from the same pod. |
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Post by Wayne Land on Jun 25, 2021 15:57:36 GMT -5
Leeb,
Would you care to expound on this concept in a way that would contribute to the debate? We are all very well aware that you think Brushy's and Dalton's claims were both fraudulent. Are there other ways they would equate to "2 peas in a pod"? Or was that comment just a meaningless quip? Do you take this forum and debate seriously or is it all just a joke to you?
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Jun 25, 2021 18:46:15 GMT -5
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Post by chivato88 on Jun 25, 2021 18:46:15 GMT -5
2 peas not in the same pod at all, Brushy's story is way more credible than Dalton's. Dalton in my book was a fraud and it hurts Brushy a bit cause they hung around together. Even after that I still believe Brushy's story. I agree with some of you that even if he was a fraud ( Dalton) he is a interesting character worth looking into
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Jun 25, 2021 20:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by DanJohno on Jun 25, 2021 20:18:14 GMT -5
I've seen Daniel Edwards talk about Dalton on YouTube and he says at the moment he doesn't believe he was Jesse. But just the fact that Daniel is showing an interest in Dalton and is willing to investigate is enough for me to keep my door open for this Dalton guy.
Or maybe I'm interested just because TTT and Leeb wouldn't want me to even think about the possibility that Dalton was Jesse.
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Post by kerry on Jun 25, 2021 22:12:57 GMT -5
Brushy used his real name...J.Frank Dalton was an alabi(of a real person)
Brushy went into intricate detail...JFD generalized. Brushy said he merely participated in US history ---JFD claimed
he changed it. Brushy escaped to Mexico and may have had wife and kids(he would never say) -JFD escaped to Indian Territory where he claimed to have had a wife and children....I see two peas in different pods .
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Jun 26, 2021 0:04:47 GMT -5
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Post by kerry on Jun 26, 2021 0:04:47 GMT -5
I believe DNA will be the the end all...
descending rather than ascending .
I think Leeb deserves another star for playing Devil's Advocate for so long that methinks Leeb -- thou doth protest too much.. Its okay to be Brushy fan...its quite invigorating !
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Jun 26, 2021 0:08:03 GMT -5
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Post by leeb on Jun 26, 2021 0:08:03 GMT -5
Leeb, Would you care to expound on this concept in a way that would contribute to the debate? We are all very well aware that you think Brushy's and Dalton's claims were both fraudulent. Are there other ways they would equate to "2 peas in a pod"? Or was that comment just a meaningless quip? Do you take this forum and debate seriously or is it all just a joke to you? Joke? Not at all. I find their claims in part similar and at best rather uncanny. They do seem for want of a better word 'Samey 'characters. |
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Jun 26, 2021 0:25:49 GMT -5
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Post by kerry on Jun 26, 2021 0:25:49 GMT -5
BTK was always just a stand out player in the Lincoln County War ...he never claimed to be anything else - JFD claimed to have contributed to Custer's defeat and according to JFD - there was no grassy knoll...but definately an officer Tibitt scenario -exfiltration for Booth -every bit as intricate as in the JFK assassination .
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Post by tboor74 on Jun 26, 2021 5:43:02 GMT -5
I believe DNA will be the the end all... descending rather than ascending . I think Leeb deserves another star for playing Devil's Advocate for so long that methinks Leeb -- thou doth protest too much.. Its okay to be Brushy fan...its quite invigorating ! Do you think the furore surrounding Brushy after YG3 will force further DNA investigation? There's certainly going to be a whole lot more interest and clamour. |
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Jun 26, 2021 7:00:47 GMT -5
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Post by kerry on Jun 26, 2021 7:00:47 GMT -5
I think once there is official Brushy DNA
done and dusted - all sorts of things will happen ... just like when someone paid a million for the old tin type that had been under wraps for a 100 years and only copies existed .I think Paulita Maxwell said copies were made of theirs before it was lost in a fire -yet being a
quite a collector of photographs herself -she never kept the tin type herself....
obviously BTK didn't mean that much to her. Garrett must have had access to one of the tin types to reproduce it in his book (may have gambled his ).. so too the news reporter who interviewed BTK prior to his trial and escape from Lincoln jail.
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Post by tboor74 on Jun 26, 2021 8:18:57 GMT -5
But do you think YG3 will push the demand / interest high enough for the DNA to actually go ahead?
It gets blocked in all avenues currently.
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Post by Wayne Land on Jun 26, 2021 9:47:01 GMT -5
A DNA study would be awesome. Either way it turned out, at least we would know once and for all. But Silver City refuses to exhume Catherine Antrim and Hamilton refuses to exhume Brushy. I don't see that changing because of a movie or any amount of uproar and demand. Both cities are afraid of losing tourist dollars. The closest we might come some day is to get Brushy's DNA and compare it to living Roberts family descendants to determine if he was the real Oliver Pleasant Roberts. I think that could be proven or disproven. If he was Oliver Pleasant then he was not Billy The Kid. End of debate. If he was not Oliver Pleasant Roberts then it is much more likely he was telling the truth about being Billy The Kid but it wouldn't end the debate. It would just take Oliver Pleasant off the table.
On the other topic recently being discussed, I am inclined to think Dalton was a fraud but we don't know that for certain. The so called proof against him was no proof at all. It was an attempt at proof that fell way short. So he "might" have been the real Jesse Woodson James. But like several of you, I haven't really studied the details of his claim all that much. The injured index finger vs. middle finger is of great concern but is it not possible that history's recording of Jesse's middle finger being injured was wrong and it was actually the index finger? I would start there I think.
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