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Post by billybarlowofficial on Nov 26, 2023 20:46:22 GMT -5
chivato88: Where is the proof that Brushy didn't live there? Also where is the proof that his real name was William H. Roberts that was kin to the Oliver P. Roberts family? Tell me also why Brushy had to use a cousin's name when no one had ever heard of Billy the Kid's last name being Roberts? Show me anywhere that it says Billy the Kid's last name was Roberts. nmjames Again, if you can find Brushy on a census between 1910-1912 or a deed listing him as a resident of Thomas's house, or a picture of him in those years at Thomas's house, it would lend credibility to him being not Billy The Kid. Personally I think the key lies with the descendants of Anna Lee Barnes. If they have so much as a recollection of their grandma mentioning, "I was married to a man who said he was Billy The Kid. When I knew him he just lived on a farm with his parents and never worked. He was eccentric." etc then it'd mean Brushy and Oliver were one and the same. It's always bothered me that Morrison never once talked to Brushy's family or searched local records seeing Anna Lee as his first wife, and didn't track her down to see if she could say, "Yeah I was married to him," or her to say, "I've never seen that man in my life." That would've ended or started things right then and there. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
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Post by nmjames on Nov 26, 2023 21:00:33 GMT -5
billybarlowofficial: Can you post a census record that you are talking about. Find a census record in the area where Brushy and Thomas lived between 1911 and 1914 and please show it to me. I have seen old census records taken in 1880 and in 1885 but have not seen any like you are talking about.
Thanks nmjames
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Post by billybarlowofficial on Nov 26, 2023 22:14:40 GMT -5
billybarlowofficial: Can you post a census record that you are talking about. Find a census record in the area where Brushy and Thomas lived between 1911 and 1914 and please show it to me. I have seen old census records taken in 1880 and in 1885 but have not seen any like you are talking about. Thanks nmjames My whole point is that the entirety of Brushy's claim rests on him taking over the life of Oliver Pleasant Roberts and that occurred sometime between 1910-1912 before marrying his next wife. So to definitively end the Brushy claim one has to definitively prove that Oliver Pleasant Roberts was in somebody's household during those years of 1910-1912. It might be on a census, land deed, employment record, etc. I think everybody has been focusing so much on Brushy that they've not looked at the family members, friends, associates. For all we know he might've been at DeWitt Travis's home or some other familiar name. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
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Post by cassandra jane on Nov 27, 2023 7:21:32 GMT -5
Remind me - who was Oliver P’s wife in 1910? Was it Anna Lee?
And secondly - has anybody got a photographic copy of he and Anna in the 1910 census pre divorce?
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Post by texas truth teller on Nov 27, 2023 15:43:24 GMT -5
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Post by cassandra jane on Nov 27, 2023 16:39:57 GMT -5
Yep, that’s the same record I have. The spelling on mine threw me and I couldn’t decide if it was the right pair or not. Mine has him down as “Alwer” on the transcription.
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Post by texas truth teller on Nov 27, 2023 16:50:12 GMT -5
billybarlowofficial: Can you post a census record that you are talking about. Find a census record in the area where Brushy and Thomas lived between 1911 and 1914 and please show it to me. I have seen old census records taken in 1880 and in 1885 but have not seen any like you are talking about. Thanks nmjames My whole point is that the entirety of Brushy's claim rests on him taking over the life of Oliver Pleasant Roberts and that occurred sometime between 1910-1912 before marrying his next wife. So to definitively end the Brushy claim one has to definitively prove that Oliver Pleasant Roberts was in somebody's household during those years of 1910-1912. It might be on a census, land deed, employment record, etc. I think everybody has been focusing so much on Brushy that they've not looked at the family members, friends, associates. For all we know he might've been at DeWitt Travis's home or some other familiar name. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all Oliver P Roberts was divorced 10 Nov 1910; remarried 21 Aug 1912. Do you really expect to find a record of him during this 20 month time period? All census, land, and WWI draft registration consistently indicate Oliver P Roberts lived until December 1950. Oliver was born in Arkansas in 1879. After he left his parents household, his birthplace was reported as Texas. His birth year was consistently reported as about 1879 until the 1940 census when it changed to 1870, and then in the 1950 census to 1862; 1868 on his death certificate and 1862 on his cemetery marker. There are no records that support the assumption that Brushy Bill assumed the identity of Oliver P Roberts.
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Post by chivato88 on Nov 27, 2023 18:23:41 GMT -5
My whole point is that the entirety of Brushy's claim rests on him taking over the life of Oliver Pleasant Roberts and that occurred sometime between 1910-1912 before marrying his next wife. So to definitively end the Brushy claim one has to definitively prove that Oliver Pleasant Roberts was in somebody's household during those years of 1910-1912. It might be on a census, land deed, employment record, etc. I think everybody has been focusing so much on Brushy that they've not looked at the family members, friends, associates. For all we know he might've been at DeWitt Travis's home or some other familiar name. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all Oliver P Roberts was divorced 10 Nov 1910; remarried 21 Aug 1912. Do you really expect to find a record of him during this 20 month time period? All census, land, and WWI draft registration consistently indicate Oliver P Roberts lived until December 1950. Oliver was born in Arkansas in 1879. After he left his parents household, his birthplace was reported as Texas. His birth year was consistently reported as about 1879 until the 1940 census when it changed to 1870, and then in the 1950 census to 1862; 1868 on his death certificate and 1862 on his cemetery marker. There are no records that support the assumption that Brushy Bill assumed the identity of Oliver P Roberts. There are no records either that Brushy lived at Geneva's household, so her letter that she wrote is evidence(nothing more) not proof.
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Post by billybarlowofficial on Nov 27, 2023 18:29:47 GMT -5
My whole point is that the entirety of Brushy's claim rests on him taking over the life of Oliver Pleasant Roberts and that occurred sometime between 1910-1912 before marrying his next wife. So to definitively end the Brushy claim one has to definitively prove that Oliver Pleasant Roberts was in somebody's household during those years of 1910-1912. It might be on a census, land deed, employment record, etc. I think everybody has been focusing so much on Brushy that they've not looked at the family members, friends, associates. For all we know he might've been at DeWitt Travis's home or some other familiar name. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all Oliver P Roberts was divorced 10 Nov 1910; remarried 21 Aug 1912. Do you really expect to find a record of him during this 20 month time period? All census, land, and WWI draft registration consistently indicate Oliver P Roberts lived until December 1950. Oliver was born in Arkansas in 1879. After he left his parents household, his birthplace was reported as Texas. His birth year was consistently reported as about 1879 until the 1940 census when it changed to 1870, and then in the 1950 census to 1862; 1868 on his death certificate and 1862 on his cemetery marker. There are no records that support the assumption that Brushy Bill assumed the identity of Oliver P Roberts. @ "do you really expect to find a record of him during this 20 month time period?" As I have said many times before I don't believe his story, but that is his claim. If you wish to refute his claim, you have to find something in that window of time. It's the only way to basically make the Pro-Brushy crowd basically admit that it was all a story. If you can account for his whereabouts in that span of time, you have his claim beat. Otherwise all the other census information will be disregarded by the Brushy crowd. What we do have is a newspaper article ("Riding Roberts") that asserts he was all over the country for the better part of 15 years (1901-1916). The challenge is proving its either false or it's the truth. Both sides are resting on their laurels rather than doing research. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
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