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Post by MissyS on Aug 27, 2023 10:22:46 GMT -5
Good Point, LifeOnAcactus.
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Post by texastruthteller on Aug 27, 2023 15:22:00 GMT -5
Lots of "ifs" here. If Severo knew Billy the Kid. If the story that Severo got a rope for Billy is true. If Severo said he had seen Billy on a number of occasions. If Severo remembered how Billy's eyes looked after 70 years. If Severo was not coached by William V. Morrison. "I really have to point out that in my opinion, Severo did not identify Oliver Pleasant Roberts as Billy The Kid. He identified William H. Roberts as Billy The Kid." You are correct. It is your opinion. The fact remains, there is no proof that William Henry McCarty Antrim, or Billy the Kid, was alive after 1881. There is, however, a record of Henry McCarty and Joseph McCarty as witnesses to the marriage of William H. Antrim and Catherine McCarty in Santa Fe. There is no documented proof that Brushy Bill engaged in any of the exploits he claimed. There is no record or proof of when Brushy Bill arrived of Van Zandt County. Affidavits are not proof. The explanation supporting the lack of documentation is simple. Wanted men living under an alias leave no paper trail. The same is true of men who never existed. They leave no paper trail. Oliver Pleasant Roberts left a paper trail a mile wide from his 1879 birth until his 1950 death. There is nothing that supports the theory that Oliver P. Roberts disappeared before the 1910 just because the birthplace of his parents was shown as Kentucky in the 1910 census. There is nothing that supports Brushy Bill's story that he was Billy the Kid but the word of Brushy Bill and five affidavits of dubious veracity. I have to point out, in my opinion, Severo Gallegos, if he identified anyone as Billy the Kid, it was Oliver Pleasant Roberts masquerading as Brushy Bill. I base that opinion on the overwhelming amount of records and documentation about the life of Oliver Pleasant Roberts, and the absence of ANY credible documentation of the exploits claimed by Brushy Bill, and the total lack of records supporting Brushy Bill's imaginary genealogy. I have a single question for you to ponder. As well as a couple facts. In 1986 I joined the army, went to Cali, Texas and overseas, yet i’m listed on the census as living in Michigan. A falsehood as I am where I just said for over a 16 year span i continued to be listed in Michigan after leaving the army, but now driving truck in all 48 and Canada. This said how can it be possible I’m living in Michigan when in fact hadn’t been in the state maybe 20 times during those years? Also when using the census, keep in mind we have another issue. Billy appears in it at the age of 25, and we know for sure that’s a lie. A problem I have with people using a census for tracking and verifying someone’s whereabouts is, they did not issue any form of identification. Plus whoever was taking it did not make it clear to say hey I was told this is Jim Jones home, but the family says he’s been on the range up in backwater Alaska for the last 20 years. They took the family info from whoever was residing there. Even worse, let’s say they came to take a census and your not home, They may ask a neighbor or just fill in previous info known. I take a census with a grain of salt as it’s truly hit or miss if the person taking the info, or the person giving it included members that may or may not actually live there. There’s many instances where someone is listed because a parent, wife, or what have you said who they were related to, and it be used to document a member in the household, but that person is not living in the home. I’ve never read in history a mandated check point to appear at to sign a census, or an existence of way to truly identify whose actually saying anything for information. Do you take census as the gospel on where people actually live? BrushyBillLives, You are correct. There are mistakes in census records. They are not notarized, which would improve their credibility. If you joined the army in 1986, you are not listed in Michigan, or anywhere else in any federal census that has been released to the public. Census records are released to the public after 72 years have passed, starting with the year the census was recorded. The most recent federal census available to the public is the 1950 census.
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Post by BrushyBillLives on Aug 27, 2023 22:30:21 GMT -5
I have a single question for you to ponder. As well as a couple facts. In 1986 I joined the army, went to Cali, Texas and overseas, yet i’m listed on the census as living in Michigan. A falsehood as I am where I just said for over a 16 year span i continued to be listed in Michigan after leaving the army, but now driving truck in all 48 and Canada. This said how can it be possible I’m living in Michigan when in fact hadn’t been in the state maybe 20 times during those years? Also when using the census, keep in mind we have another issue. Billy appears in it at the age of 25, and we know for sure that’s a lie. A problem I have with people using a census for tracking and verifying someone’s whereabouts is, they did not issue any form of identification. Plus whoever was taking it did not make it clear to say hey I was told this is Jim Jones home, but the family says he’s been on the range up in backwater Alaska for the last 20 years. They took the family info from whoever was residing there. Even worse, let’s say they came to take a census and your not home, They may ask a neighbor or just fill in previous info known. I take a census with a grain of salt as it’s truly hit or miss if the person taking the info, or the person giving it included members that may or may not actually live there. There’s many instances where someone is listed because a parent, wife, or what have you said who they were related to, and it be used to document a member in the household, but that person is not living in the home. I’ve never read in history a mandated check point to appear at to sign a census, or an existence of way to truly identify whose actually saying anything for information. Do you take census as the gospel on where people actually live? BrushyBillLives, You are correct. There are mistakes in census records. They are not notarized, which would improve their credibility. If you joined the army in 1986, you are not listed in Michigan, or anywhere else in any federal census that has been released to the public. Census records are released to the public after 72 years have passed, starting with the year the census was recorded. The most recent federal census available to the public is the 1950 census. With all due respect, you can tell me i’m not listed, But as i see my name listed in census at my parents house. Explain that? Not being sarcastic, just stating the truth. I been listed at their old house in Lansing for a quite a few years, even after leaving the Army and buying land which I placed in, and lived on… But hey, I also read of a woman who claims to have paid because they messed up her name, apparently she was y happy having her maiden name listed. Personally the census is a joke to me and care not where they list me.
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Post by texastruthteller on Aug 27, 2023 22:51:27 GMT -5
BrushyBillLives, You are correct. There are mistakes in census records. They are not notarized, which would improve their credibility. If you joined the army in 1986, you are not listed in Michigan, or anywhere else in any federal census that has been released to the public. Census records are released to the public after 72 years have passed, starting with the year the census was recorded. The most recent federal census available to the public is the 1950 census. With all due respect, you can tell me i’m not listed, But as i see my name listed in census at my parents house. Explain that? Not being sarcastic, just stating the truth. I been listed at their old house in Lansing for a quite a few years, even after leaving the Army and buying land which I placed in, and lived on… But hey, I also read of a woman who claims to have paid because they messed up her name, apparently she was y happy having her maiden name listed. Personally the census is a joke to me and care not where they list me. Easy enough to prove me wrong. Please cite census year, state, county, surname, first name of father and mother, and their approximate birth year. Of course, if you were born after 1950, your name will not be found in any federal census record that has been released to the public.
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Post by BrushyBillLives on Aug 28, 2023 11:40:16 GMT -5
With all due respect, you can tell me i’m not listed, But as i see my name listed in census at my parents house. Explain that? Not being sarcastic, just stating the truth. I been listed at their old house in Lansing for a quite a few years, even after leaving the Army and buying land which I placed in, and lived on… But hey, I also read of a woman who claims to have paid because they messed up her name, apparently she was y happy having her maiden name listed. Personally the census is a joke to me and care not where they list me. Easy enough to prove me wrong. Please cite census year, state, county, surname, first name of father and mother, and their approximate birth year. Of course, if you were born after 1950, your name will not be found in any federal census record that has been released to the public. I’ll pass on the offer, I’ve had enough issues dealing with my identity, 16 years of the service, I left for a federal job requiring a much more thorough background check. You would think one is the same, they are not, even though handled by same agencies. Now keep in mind, according to State and Federal laws, my expired license was good until I returned to home state, or became a resident of another. Which for whatever reason, was entered as my living in a home I had not seen since I was a kid. Upon my return home I applied for my background and let’s just say I got to visit several agencies for things that were not in any shape or form related to me. NARA was the last office I had to show my documents to, and allow them to fully and thoroughly go through my extensive proof I was not anywhere but where the service sent me, and the very person with an identity issue due to the Government. Oddly one I just gave 16 years too. Now let’s flash back to a much easier time to pretend your someone else, with hospital births not as common, and no Identification like a ccw, fingerprints, dental records, wagon or horse licenses, and virtually nothing but word of who you are and when you moved there. With todays technology they merely used a state issued license from Michigan to post up my address. Oddly ignoring any federal employment by the army.. There’s bureaucratic powers for you. As for posting anything up on who I am, in any kind of way, we ain’t dating, if we were you owe me dinner, we ain’t warming each other up late at night under the moon, or you me two and a few drinks … So I will have to say I pass respectfully. I’m still pondering to this day, at my re enlistments why this was never an issue. Wasn’t till I entered civilian life. But did serve with a guy who was 5 years in when arrested for felony charges related to before his enlistment, so who knows. As for the incident, I grew up adopted. A decent enough home but was late in age being taken in. Anyhow, one of the other ‘family members’ had several bump in’s with the law. Apparently using my name a few times kept him from where he belonged.. Do you know i had a license that was renewed, while serving in Iraq 1? I even voted, which to this day I still don’t, and at point worked a few jobs in and around surrounding states… While actively serving at the time in Alabama, i’m going a 9-5 roofing. Any regard I’m at the point wanting a thumbprint for credit card purchases, a DNA test for each license renewal, and a complete dental exam when dealing with anything requiring Feds. Then and only then is a Woman or Man’s ID safe.
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Post by texastruthteller on Aug 28, 2023 15:26:32 GMT -5
Easy enough to prove me wrong. Please cite census year, state, county, surname, first name of father and mother, and their approximate birth year. Of course, if you were born after 1950, your name will not be found in any federal census record that has been released to the public. I’ll pass on the offer, I’ve had enough issues dealing with my identity, 16 years of the service, I left for a federal job requiring a much more thorough background check. You would think one is the same, they are not, even though handled by same agencies. Now keep in mind, according to State and Federal laws, my expired license was good until I returned to home state, or became a resident of another. Which for whatever reason, was entered as my living in a home I had not seen since I was a kid. Upon my return home I applied for my background and let’s just say I got to visit several agencies for things that were not in any shape or form related to me. NARA was the last office I had to show my documents to, and allow them to fully and thoroughly go through my extensive proof I was not anywhere but where the service sent me, and the very person with an identity issue due to the Government. Oddly one I just gave 16 years too. Now let’s flash back to a much easier time to pretend your someone else, with hospital births not as common, and no Identification like a ccw, fingerprints, dental records, wagon or horse licenses, and virtually nothing but word of who you are and when you moved there. With todays technology they merely used a state issued license from Michigan to post up my address. Oddly ignoring any federal employment by the army.. There’s bureaucratic powers for you. As for posting anything up on who I am, in any kind of way, we ain’t dating, if we were you owe me dinner, we ain’t warming each other up late at night under the moon, or you me two and a few drinks … So I will have to say I pass respectfully. I’m still pondering to this day, at my re enlistments why this was never an issue. Wasn’t till I entered civilian life. But did serve with a guy who was 5 years in when arrested for felony charges related to before his enlistment, so who knows. As for the incident, I grew up adopted. A decent enough home but was late in age being taken in. Anyhow, one of the other ‘family members’ had several bump in’s with the law. Apparently using my name a few times kept him from where he belonged.. Do you know i had a license that was renewed, while serving in Iraq 1? I even voted, which to this day I still don’t, and at point worked a few jobs in and around surrounding states… While actively serving at the time in Alabama, i’m going a 9-5 roofing. Any regard I’m at the point wanting a thumbprint for credit card purchases, a DNA test for each license renewal, and a complete dental exam when dealing with anything requiring Feds. Then and only then is a Woman or Man’s ID safe. No essay please. With all due respect, are you able to provide credible, verifiable information that supports alleged census records that show your continued presence in Michigan? Or is it all BS? "In 1986 I joined the army, went to Cali, Texas and overseas, yet i’m listed on the census as living in Michigan. A falsehood as I am where I just said for over a 16 year span i continued to be listed in Michigan after leaving the army, but now driving truck in all 48 and Canada."
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Post by cassandra jane on Aug 28, 2023 17:23:06 GMT -5
I’ll pass on the offer, I’ve had enough issues dealing with my identity, 16 years of the service, I left for a federal job requiring a much more thorough background check. You would think one is the same, they are not, even though handled by same agencies. Now keep in mind, according to State and Federal laws, my expired license was good until I returned to home state, or became a resident of another. Which for whatever reason, was entered as my living in a home I had not seen since I was a kid. Upon my return home I applied for my background and let’s just say I got to visit several agencies for things that were not in any shape or form related to me. NARA was the last office I had to show my documents to, and allow them to fully and thoroughly go through my extensive proof I was not anywhere but where the service sent me, and the very person with an identity issue due to the Government. Oddly one I just gave 16 years too. Now let’s flash back to a much easier time to pretend your someone else, with hospital births not as common, and no Identification like a ccw, fingerprints, dental records, wagon or horse licenses, and virtually nothing but word of who you are and when you moved there. With todays technology they merely used a state issued license from Michigan to post up my address. Oddly ignoring any federal employment by the army.. There’s bureaucratic powers for you. As for posting anything up on who I am, in any kind of way, we ain’t dating, if we were you owe me dinner, we ain’t warming each other up late at night under the moon, or you me two and a few drinks … So I will have to say I pass respectfully. I’m still pondering to this day, at my re enlistments why this was never an issue. Wasn’t till I entered civilian life. But did serve with a guy who was 5 years in when arrested for felony charges related to before his enlistment, so who knows. As for the incident, I grew up adopted. A decent enough home but was late in age being taken in. Anyhow, one of the other ‘family members’ had several bump in’s with the law. Apparently using my name a few times kept him from where he belonged.. Do you know i had a license that was renewed, while serving in Iraq 1? I even voted, which to this day I still don’t, and at point worked a few jobs in and around surrounding states… While actively serving at the time in Alabama, i’m going a 9-5 roofing. Any regard I’m at the point wanting a thumbprint for credit card purchases, a DNA test for each license renewal, and a complete dental exam when dealing with anything requiring Feds. Then and only then is a Woman or Man’s ID safe. No essay please. With all due respect, are you able to provide credible, verifiable information that supports alleged census records that show your continued presence in Michigan? Or is it all BS? "In 1986 I joined the army, went to Cali, Texas and overseas, yet i’m listed on the census as living in Michigan. A falsehood as I am where I just said for over a 16 year span i continued to be listed in Michigan after leaving the army, but now driving truck in all 48 and Canada." Maybe somebody’s private life and identity is none of your business on a forum that isn’t about said individual?
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Post by BrushyBillLives on Aug 30, 2023 16:43:14 GMT -5
I’ll pass on the offer, I’ve had enough issues dealing with my identity, 16 years of the service, I left for a federal job requiring a much more thorough background check. You would think one is the same, they are not, even though handled by same agencies. Now keep in mind, according to State and Federal laws, my expired license was good until I returned to home state, or became a resident of another. Which for whatever reason, was entered as my living in a home I had not seen since I was a kid. Upon my return home I applied for my background and let’s just say I got to visit several agencies for things that were not in any shape or form related to me. NARA was the last office I had to show my documents to, and allow them to fully and thoroughly go through my extensive proof I was not anywhere but where the service sent me, and the very person with an identity issue due to the Government. Oddly one I just gave 16 years too. Now let’s flash back to a much easier time to pretend your someone else, with hospital births not as common, and no Identification like a ccw, fingerprints, dental records, wagon or horse licenses, and virtually nothing but word of who you are and when you moved there. With todays technology they merely used a state issued license from Michigan to post up my address. Oddly ignoring any federal employment by the army.. There’s bureaucratic powers for you. As for posting anything up on who I am, in any kind of way, we ain’t dating, if we were you owe me dinner, we ain’t warming each other up late at night under the moon, or you me two and a few drinks … So I will have to say I pass respectfully. I’m still pondering to this day, at my re enlistments why this was never an issue. Wasn’t till I entered civilian life. But did serve with a guy who was 5 years in when arrested for felony charges related to before his enlistment, so who knows. As for the incident, I grew up adopted. A decent enough home but was late in age being taken in. Anyhow, one of the other ‘family members’ had several bump in’s with the law. Apparently using my name a few times kept him from where he belonged.. Do you know i had a license that was renewed, while serving in Iraq 1? I even voted, which to this day I still don’t, and at point worked a few jobs in and around surrounding states… While actively serving at the time in Alabama, i’m going a 9-5 roofing. Any regard I’m at the point wanting a thumbprint for credit card purchases, a DNA test for each license renewal, and a complete dental exam when dealing with anything requiring Feds. Then and only then is a Woman or Man’s ID safe. No essay please. With all due respect, are you able to provide credible, verifiable information that supports alleged census records that show your continued presence in Michigan? Or is it all BS? "In 1986 I joined the army, went to Cali, Texas and overseas, yet i’m listed on the census as living in Michigan. A falsehood as I am where I just said for over a 16 year span i continued to be listed in Michigan after leaving the army, but now driving truck in all 48 and Canada." What reason do you need my records as deep as I was lead to protect them? I necessary I’ll contact JAG, as well as my private attorney, you meet the requirements set forth by them, and I’ll even poop on a stick to prove my identity. Who should I ask them to proceed to contact?
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Post by BrushyBillLives on Aug 30, 2023 17:07:52 GMT -5
No essay please. With all due respect, are you able to provide credible, verifiable information that supports alleged census records that show your continued presence in Michigan? Or is it all BS? "In 1986 I joined the army, went to Cali, Texas and overseas, yet i’m listed on the census as living in Michigan. A falsehood as I am where I just said for over a 16 year span i continued to be listed in Michigan after leaving the army, but now driving truck in all 48 and Canada." Maybe somebody’s private life and identity is none of your business on a forum that isn’t about said individual? Your so right, i’m not on a black forum crying about a white man using my ID while i’m in Iraq. not am I anywhere else crying my details. I’m sharing a truth, and if certain groups paid attention, I am not anywhere but what the military called me to do. With no disrespect to nation or creed, I did my duty and tried to move forward. That experience alone lead my own dealings with certain things I prefer to forget and not to burn a white flag for. Wasn’t for my past, I would not be here, wasn’t for another day given, we’d all be gone. But for heavens sakes NARA caused me a ton of issues in the 2000’s, imagine a guy without a horse drawn carriage license, a bucking mule permit, or a taxation for property worth on your persons.. Or the guys that fits the description of pictureless ID descriptions. Problem is the census is divided from diligent workers to lazy peeps. The sheriff reports de damned. Hell unless the law has some right then and there recognize someone, and innocent swung, but you all claim a census. Meaning a positive ID, or a crime committed in eyesight. Then we still only have the testimony of said names laying claim. The very reason we have pine boxes filled with sworn testimony, of the innocent, laying dead guilty. Oddly one the Kid himself lied about his age. And appears on a ledger, and claim to have traced someone. So there has be more. Try a lazy person creating 60 kids with TexasTruthSayers Thoughts
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Post by BrushyBillLives on Aug 30, 2023 17:43:32 GMT -5
I will add, to get to NARA level corrections, there’s some serious issues today. In the past, it may be a stolen a stick of butter that links you. Today, thanks to cars, rental contacts, licenses, appointments, licensing, and much more. it shows you. Even living off the grid claiming a p.o, having said merchandise sent to p.o, but owning a single object, places your being. So if you need my information so bad TexasTruthTeller, look for a black soldier serving in an airborne unit attached to the 82nd, though that not my unit, I was there on temporary assignment, but you’ll be close enough to identify me out of God bows how many othe black troops entering the service out of detroit, managing to make it to airborne ( note not airborn or airbourne I know my family lineage or where i signed and shipped from. I even know my deployments, many false soldiers don’t realize they were deployed, as far bad as Ww2). What you’ll falter at, I always held a Detroit listing, due to a child placement and our laws, I only lived within Detroit itself a short period, the courts recognize its small medium... Further complicated by my Johnson last name, but I invite you as any friend to sit down and eat once you arrive As i gave a final link how to find me, that’s not my legal withstanding name. I do however reside in the 231 area code with a 616 in place iof. If it helps, tell me where you want to meet in Texas, I frequent in and out if a bases hauling warden michigan manufactured part to a couple bases across the that state, which btw way started my need to prove who i was. ai can give you two social security numbers which relate to me. One is invalid now, but imagine that, how many can attest to what I tell you. I skipped having an Indiana and a Arizona license as well as a California license nearly 6 years past my last duty station there, yet it was a 4 year active, that aren’t mine too, as well tbh it was enough tell you about the first mishaps, how much more you want to create this board about me proving NARA having issues shall we go? Do you realize NARA today was yesterdays census taker? and still had issues that are slower than dog pooh being locked down?
So to say not needing an essay is the very same reason I declare we need fingerprinted Cc, Blood tested Drivers Licensing, and Dental exams past the to federal offices. By which NARA ignored fyi, as they only had mine to compare.
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Post by WhisperingBillyBarlow on Oct 23, 2023 19:00:10 GMT -5
I have said previously most of the affidavits can be disregarded because either the eyewitnesses were not credible or fraudulent, but Gallagos & Able & the Jones Brothers (Bill and Sam) are either credible or passable affidavits.
It took ages for me to track down "Robert E. Lee" but he was in Louisiana and he opened up a Jesse James museum, and was throwing full support behind J. Frank Dalton and he wanted to expand a wing to Billy the Kid, so it seems to me his affidavit could be thrown away because he had the motive of money for signing on that Brushy was The Kid.
A lot of these men knew each other when working in circuses, carnivals, athletic shows, and historical recreation events: Uncle Kit, Dalton, Brushy, Lee, etc. So it always begs the question whether the scheme was concocted years in advance by all of them.
Which brings us back to the beginning of the story with Morrison dealing with "Joe Hines" who claimed that he was Jesse Evans of the Jesse Evans Gang fame. Was he really? Or was he another faker who managed to get money by false means (ie, land grab claiming he was the surviving sibling of some man in Texas).
What's conveniently left out of the Brushy story is that Hines told Morrison that J. Frank Dalton knew where to find Billy The Kid. Morrison went to Missouri, and Dalton gave Morrison Brushy's address in Texas. So it seems to me, in retrospect, that Hines (whoever he was) knew both Brushy and Dalton personally and most likely during rodeo/carnival days.
This bit of information came from Ola Everhart's own mouth because she herself was swindled (but believed it to her dying day) that Dalton was Jesse James, who somehow was a distant relative of Everhart's. That Morrison met Dalton after Hines, then met Brushy.
So, that leaves the credible/passable affidavits. Gallagos was 10 years old when he last saw The Kid. Able seems to have census record issues, although that doesn't necessarily mean she couldn't have been in other places because they only did censuses every 5 or 10 years depending on the state or county. The Jones Brothers never would commit their signatures to paper, but said off the record they thought Brushy was The Kid.
So, all in all, the strongest evidence is weak at best in support of Brushy Bill Roberts. It doesn't mean he wasn't The Kid, but it's barely hanging on by a thread.
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Post by WhisperingBillyBarlow on Oct 23, 2023 20:12:38 GMT -5
Actually it's worse for Brushy...
Charles L. Sonnichsen (1955). Alias Billy the Kid. University of New Mexico Press. p. 72. William Shafer, Bill Jones' grandson, wrote on July 9, 1950: "I am sorry, but Mr. Jones does not feel that he can sign your affidavits that your man is Billy the Kid. He gave no conclusive proof of this at the time we met him. It seems to me that if he were Billy the Kid he would not need affidavits to prove his contention."
So, it's down to Gallegos and Able and Montoya. I forgot to mention him earlier. 👍 Anyways, we can dismiss the Jones Brothers as part of the evidence.
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Post by RonBk on Oct 24, 2023 16:28:18 GMT -5
What we have is on one hand information that says the Jones brothers believed Brushy was Billy the kid. On the other hand we have a piece of information that says William Shafer said one of the Jones brothers did not want to sign the affidavit. Im not sure how you came to the conclusion this means we should dismiss the Jones brothers as part of the evidence? Could you explain your thinking here? There is certainly conflicting pieces of information, we can agree so far. However the question remains, how should we value this? Why do you believe the William Shafer info is "the more valuable" piece of evidence? How do we even know Shafner was telling the truth in this matter?
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Post by WhisperingBillyBarlow on Oct 24, 2023 21:35:46 GMT -5
What we have is on one hand information that says the Jones brothers believed Brushy was Billy the kid. On the other hand we have a piece of information that says William Shafer said one of the Jones brothers did not want to sign the affidavit. Im not sure how you came to the conclusion this means we should dismiss the Jones brothers as part of the evidence? Could you explain your thinking here? There is certainly conflicting pieces of information, we can agree so far. However the question remains, how should we value this? Why do you believe the William Shafer info is "the more valuable" piece of evidence? How do we even know Shafner was telling the truth in this matter? The fact that I'm quoting ALIAS BILLY THE KID, that Morrison and Sonnischen wrote, and they felt it important to note that one of the Jones brothers felt that Brushy wasn't The Kid, shows that they were honest investigators to include statements CONTRARY to their case. The man's nephew was present when Brushy met the one Jones brother. He merely was speaking on behalf of his elderly uncle reiterating his uncles opinion. It wasn't Shafer's opinion. That's why it can be dismissed.
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Post by RonBk on Oct 25, 2023 1:11:37 GMT -5
I agree this shows Morrison and Sonnichsen was being honest in their investigation, but the information is still second hand information and should be treated as such. There is always the possibility of distortion when you have second handed information about what a person allegedly have spoken. I would agree that the Shafer quote do raise questions about the Jones brothers evidence, though I do not agree it means we have to dismiss the Jones brothers completely.
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