|
|
Post by gladstone on Nov 21, 2023 22:03:34 GMT -5
I've been able to get Jameson and Edward's.
Does anyone know where I can get Hall's book?
Happy Thanksgiving
|
|
|
|
Post by texas truth teller on Nov 22, 2023 11:33:46 GMT -5
I've been able to get Jameson and Edward's. Does anyone know where I can get Hall's book? Happy Thanksgiving Two other books of interest: "Billy the Kid and Me Were the Same", Dr. William A. Tunstill, Research Historian, Western History Research Center, Roswell, NM, 1988 "Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was......", Jim Johnson, 2006, Outskirts Press |
|
|
|
Post by chivato88 on Nov 22, 2023 14:59:46 GMT -5
Dont waste your time on the Jim Johnson book , that guy thinks he cracked the case open wich is not the case, Ive read it and regret putting my time in reading that piece of crap, sorry if some of you are offended by my comment
|
|
|
|
Post by texas truth teller on Nov 22, 2023 16:56:57 GMT -5
Dont waste your time on the Jim Johnson book , that guy thinks he cracked the case open wich is not the case, Ive read it and regret putting my time in reading that piece of crap, sorry if some of you are offended by my comment A thoughtful critique of “Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was….” without the vitriol would have been an offer to identify and rebut Johnson’s statements that are in dispute. |
|
|
|
Post by billybarlowofficial on Nov 22, 2023 19:48:56 GMT -5
I've been able to get Jameson and Edward's. Does anyone know where I can get Hall's book? Happy Thanksgiving Hall has a YouTube channel. Perhaps you could reach out to him personally for that book. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all |
|
|
|
Post by chivato88 on Nov 23, 2023 16:00:29 GMT -5
Dont waste your time on the Jim Johnson book , that guy thinks he cracked the case open wich is not the case, Ive read it and regret putting my time in reading that piece of crap, sorry if some of you are offended by my comment A thoughtful critique of “Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was….” without the vitriol would have been an offer to identify and rebut Johnson’s statements that are in dispute. Please explain why you recommended the book. What I see is someone hooking his friend up with a sale. Its a terrible book, I had to kiced myself everyday to finish it. Nobody here will get convinced by that book sorry. |
|
|
|
Post by billybarlowofficial on Nov 23, 2023 20:40:02 GMT -5
A thoughtful critique of “Billy the Kid, His Real Name Was….” without the vitriol would have been an offer to identify and rebut Johnson’s statements that are in dispute. Please explain why you recommended the book. What I see is someone hooking his friend up with a sale. Its a terrible book, I had to kick myself everyday to finish it. Nobody here will get convinced by that book sorry. Admittedly I never read the book but it seems to me it's a pro-Miller book ((shrugs)) and the only thing I can say about Miller is that even the most skeptical of persons concede that there is so little to go on about Miller that you can't prove or disprove he was Billy The Kid. In the minds of some, that's certainly more going for him than Brushy Bill Roberts. After all, Miller doesn't appear in history until 1 month after Fort Sumner and had a wound in his chest, largely living out his life in obscurity. He gives the appearance of a man out on the run, living in caves and canyons. The fact that he was quiet, and all we have is 2nd or 3rd hand stories about Miller makes him a bit more intriguing than Brushy who had tons to say with little to show for it. What makes both men interesting, though, is that they both said it was a Mexican that was buried and not Billy The Kid. Unfortunately, because of Gale Cooper and others involved we'll never be able to know if Miller's dna was on that bench or not. Or because of Myrna Carpenter we'll never know if Brushy's dna was a match to Roy Haws or Katherine Antrim. Does us no real good debating unless we find a smoking gun somewhere in newspaper articles, etc showing Miller existed as John Miller prior to August 1881 or "Lone Brushy Bill" was in Oregon, Wyoming, etc when he was supposed to be elsewhere. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all |
|
|
|
Post by Wayne Land on Nov 24, 2023 2:40:42 GMT -5
I'm confused as to which book you guys are discussing. But I do own Brett Hall's book and just to set the record straight here, it is absolutely pro Brushy and has nothing to do with Miller. And in my opinion it is one of the most informative Books on Brushy that I've read and I'm pretty sure I've read them all.
|
|
|
|
Post by tboor74 on Nov 24, 2023 4:57:15 GMT -5
Dale Tunnel does a great job of debunking Miller. Miller's timeline doesn't face up well to scrutiny, although he was almost certainly 'someone'. Tunnel suggests George Axelby, a Missouri outlaw. Incredibly, Axelby had a sidekick who hailed from a family named Maxwell and another known as Billy the Kid McCarthy (this was post 1881 so no mix ups).
Easy to see, via the Axelby angle, how these 2 tales could become intertwined.
Look him up. Good tale.
|
|
|
|
Post by chivato88 on Nov 24, 2023 5:27:49 GMT -5
Please explain why you recommended the book. What I see is someone hooking his friend up with a sale. Its a terrible book, I had to kick myself everyday to finish it. Nobody here will get convinced by that book sorry. Admittedly I never read the book but it seems to me it's a pro-Miller book ((shrugs)) and the only thing I can say about Miller is that even the most skeptical of persons concede that there is so little to go on about Miller that you can't prove or disprove he was Billy The Kid. In the minds of some, that's certainly more going for him than Brushy Bill Roberts. After all, Miller doesn't appear in history until 1 month after Fort Sumner and had a wound in his chest, largely living out his life in obscurity. He gives the appearance of a man out on the run, living in caves and canyons. The fact that he was quiet, and all we have is 2nd or 3rd hand stories about Miller makes him a bit more intriguing than Brushy who had tons to say with little to show for it. What makes both men interesting, though, is that they both said it was a Mexican that was buried and not Billy The Kid. Unfortunately, because of Gale Cooper and others involved we'll never be able to know if Miller's dna was on that bench or not. Or because of Myrna Carpenter we'll never know if Brushy's dna was a match to Roy Haws or Katherine Antrim. Does us no real good debating unless we find a smoking gun somewhere in newspaper articles, etc showing Miller existed as John Miller prior to August 1881 or "Lone Brushy Bill" was in Oregon, Wyoming, etc when he was supposed to be elsewhere. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all Its a 150 page anti-Brushy and anti-Miller book. The book is hard to follow at times and lost interest as I read it. From all the anti-Brushy books that are out there TTT chose that book, why not Gale Cooper? Even I dont like her but she does know how to write a good book and she has tons of evidence that comes along with it, wich is debatable. |
|
|
|
Post by billybarlowofficial on Nov 24, 2023 13:54:50 GMT -5
Admittedly I never read the book but it seems to me it's a pro-Miller book ((shrugs)) and the only thing I can say about Miller is that even the most skeptical of persons concede that there is so little to go on about Miller that you can't prove or disprove he was Billy The Kid. In the minds of some, that's certainly more going for him than Brushy Bill Roberts. After all, Miller doesn't appear in history until 1 month after Fort Sumner and had a wound in his chest, largely living out his life in obscurity. He gives the appearance of a man out on the run, living in caves and canyons. The fact that he was quiet, and all we have is 2nd or 3rd hand stories about Miller makes him a bit more intriguing than Brushy who had tons to say with little to show for it. What makes both men interesting, though, is that they both said it was a Mexican that was buried and not Billy The Kid. Unfortunately, because of Gale Cooper and others involved we'll never be able to know if Miller's dna was on that bench or not. Or because of Myrna Carpenter we'll never know if Brushy's dna was a match to Roy Haws or Katherine Antrim. Does us no real good debating unless we find a smoking gun somewhere in newspaper articles, etc showing Miller existed as John Miller prior to August 1881 or "Lone Brushy Bill" was in Oregon, Wyoming, etc when he was supposed to be elsewhere. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all Its a 150 page anti-Brushy and anti-Miller book. The book is hard to follow at times and lost interest as I read it. From all the anti-Brushy books that are out there TTT chose that book, why not Gale Cooper? Even I dont like her but she does know how to write a good book and she has tons of evidence that comes along with it, wich is debatable. Ah okay. I stand corrected then. Thanks for the clarification. Hope everybody had a good Thanksgiving. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all |
|
|
|
Post by billybarlowofficial on Nov 24, 2023 14:05:13 GMT -5
Dale Tunnel does a great job of debunking Miller. Miller's timeline doesn't face up well to scrutiny, although he was almost certainly 'someone'. Tunnel suggests George Axelby, a Missouri outlaw. Incredibly, Axelby had a sidekick who hailed from a family named Maxwell and another known as Billy the Kid McCarthy (this was post 1881 so no mix ups). Easy to see, via the Axelby angle, how these 2 tales could become intertwined. Look him up. Good tale. Now that's very interesting. Perhaps whenever Miller heard people talk about Billy The Kid he assumed they meant this other Billy The Kid that Axelby knew, and people assumed he meant New Mexico Billy whenever he talked about The Kid. Then again it's hard to say because everything we know about Miller is 2nd or 3rd hand information. Had Sederwall put the man's dna into the ancestry website perhaps Miller's closest genetic relative would appear and help solve the mystery, provided someone from that family ever submitted dna to ancestry. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all |
|
|
|
Post by Wayne Land on Nov 24, 2023 15:26:29 GMT -5
It was my understanding that Sederwall did not obtain any useable DNA. I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it.
|
|
|
|
Post by billybarlowofficial on Nov 24, 2023 17:29:03 GMT -5
It was my understanding that Sederwall did not obtain any useable DNA. I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it. Sederwall said that it was 2 different bits of dna from the bench, and at that time it seemed impossible to separate the two, but that today it could most likely be done. That the DNA is still put away in a courthouse somewhere, as is the DNA of John Miller. He's just sitting on it. He's a bit demoralized because so many people tried to prevent any further action from taking place. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all |
|
|
|
Post by RonBk on Nov 24, 2023 18:07:13 GMT -5
Dale Tunnel does a great job of debunking Miller. Miller's timeline doesn't face up well to scrutiny, although he was almost certainly 'someone'. Tunnel suggests George Axelby, a Missouri outlaw. Incredibly, Axelby had a sidekick who hailed from a family named Maxwell and another known as Billy the Kid McCarthy (this was post 1881 so no mix ups). Easy to see, via the Axelby angle, how these 2 tales could become intertwined. Look him up. Good tale. Could it not be possible this associate of Axelby was Brushy? |
|
