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Post by chivato88 on Jan 2, 2023 12:49:40 GMT -5
This is where it went down. Windy was killed under a tree near the saloon.  |
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Post by MissyS on Jan 3, 2023 3:57:35 GMT -5
I was wondering about Brushy’s version of the incident with Windy Cahill, but I didn’t find a reference of Brushy mentioning Windy Cahill in my Billy the Kid the Lost Interviews book. On page 45 of that book Brushy states that after he left Belle Starr he went to stay with his aunt Katherine Antrim’s home in Silver City for a few months and when she passed he said he went back to the Indian Territory and fell in with some cattle rustlers. Brushy did mention later on in the following pages of visiting Mountain Bill’s sister and brother- in-law in Arizona in 1877 and working for a few months at a ranch called Gila with a man named Cyclone, then on to New Mexico at Mesilla and meeting up with Jesse Evans, sorta skipping over it seems of the Windy Cahill incident, I wonder if maybe there was some damaged tape in that area of the recording when it was transcribed? or I wonder if Brushy didn’t want to mention Windy Cahill at that time because he may have still been wanted for that? Or It could be Brushy may have mentioned the Windy Cahill incident somewhere else besides this particular source. Possibly it could have been because of the interviewer didn’t ask Brushy about Windy and so he didn’t mention it?  |
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Post by leeb on Jan 6, 2023 14:51:30 GMT -5
Perhaps brushy didn't mention the killing of windy cahill because he knew nothing about it. Was he even born??
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jan 6, 2023 18:14:03 GMT -5
Perhaps brushy didn't mention the killing of windy cahill because he knew nothing about it. Was he even born?? Lee, there's a really good reason Brushy didn't mention the killing of Windy Cahill. There is nothing about Windy Cahill in "The Saga of Billy the Kid", by Walter Noble Burns, published in 1926. That book is on line at Hathi Trust, and can be searched for "Cahill". There is nothing about Cahill in "Alias Billy the Kid:", which is also on line at Hathi Trust, and can be searched. It was not until after Brushy passed away that researcher, Frederick Nolan, in "The West of Billy the Kid", on page 59, copyright 1998, described the altercation between Frank Cahill and Billy the Kid. |
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Post by MissyS on Jan 7, 2023 0:54:00 GMT -5
So the incident with Cahill wasn’t in any other book? Pat Garrett’s or George Coe’s or any other until 1998, unbelievable really. I thought this was a well known. If it’s true that the incident with Windy Cahill wasn’t that well known then it’s understandable Brushy wouldn’t have been asked about it.
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Post by leeb on Jan 7, 2023 12:56:10 GMT -5
So the incident with Cahill wasn’t in any other book? Pat Garrett’s or George Coe’s or any other until 1998, unbelievable really. I thought this was a well known. If it’s true that the incident with Windy Cahill wasn’t that well known then it’s understandable Brushy wouldn’t have been asked about it. But it's not understandable that Brushy would not mention the incident that kick started he's notoriety. This is just another incident that proves the old boy was a touch liberal with the truth. |
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Post by RonBk on Jan 7, 2023 17:03:04 GMT -5
So the incident with Cahill wasn’t in any other book? Pat Garrett’s or George Coe’s or any other until 1998, unbelievable really. I thought this was a well known. If it’s true that the incident with Windy Cahill wasn’t that well known then it’s understandable Brushy wouldn’t have been asked about it. But it's not understandable that Brushy would not mention the incident that kick started he's notoriety. This is just another incident that proves the old boy was a touch liberal with the truth. I'll have to disagree here Leeb. The assertion you are making is clearly the endproduct of a strongly biased process of thinking. If the incident with Cahill was unknown at the time, then Brushy obviously had a very good reason not to mention it to anyone. Why is this hard for you to understand? |
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Post by Elwood on Jan 8, 2023 10:24:41 GMT -5
Perhaps brushy didn't mention the killing of windy cahill because he knew nothing about it. Was he even born?? Lee, there's a really good reason Brushy didn't mention the killing of Windy Cahill. There is nothing about Windy Cahill in "The Saga of Billy the Kid", by Walter Noble Burns, published in 1926. That book is on line at Hathi Trust, and can be searched for "Cahill". There is nothing about Cahill in "Alias Billy the Kid:", which is also on line at Hathi Trust, and can be searched. It was not until after Brushy passed away that researcher, Frederick Nolan, in "The West of Billy the Kid", on page 59, copyright 1998, described the altercation between Frank Cahill and Billy the Kid. You may want to review the following: The Story of "Windy" Cahill, REAL West magazine, August 1985, by Philip J. Rasch There is a variety of other prior 1985 articles listed in "Trailing Billy the Kid', by Philip J. Rasch. |
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Post by texas truth teller on Jan 8, 2023 11:14:59 GMT -5
Lee, there's a really good reason Brushy didn't mention the killing of Windy Cahill. There is nothing about Windy Cahill in "The Saga of Billy the Kid", by Walter Noble Burns, published in 1926. That book is on line at Hathi Trust, and can be searched for "Cahill". There is nothing about Cahill in "Alias Billy the Kid:", which is also on line at Hathi Trust, and can be searched. It was not until after Brushy passed away that researcher, Frederick Nolan, in "The West of Billy the Kid", on page 59, copyright 1998, described the altercation between Frank Cahill and Billy the Kid. You may want to review the following: The Story of "Windy" Cahill, REAL West magazine, August 1985, by Philip J. Rasch There is a variety of other prior 1985 articles listed in "Trailing Billy the Kid', by Philip J. Rasch. Are there any articles about the killing of Windy Cahill published prior to 1950? |
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Post by chivato88 on Jan 8, 2023 11:47:33 GMT -5
You may want to review the following: The Story of "Windy" Cahill, REAL West magazine, August 1985, by Philip J. Rasch There is a variety of other prior 1985 articles listed in "Trailing Billy the Kid', by Philip J. Rasch. Are there any articles about the killing of Windy Cahill published prior to 1950? August 25 1877 |
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Post by leeb on Jan 8, 2023 12:24:04 GMT -5
But it's not understandable that Brushy would not mention the incident that kick started he's notoriety. This is just another incident that proves the old boy was a touch liberal with the truth. I'll have to disagree here Leeb. The assertion you are making is clearly the endproduct of a strongly biased process of thinking. If the incident with Cahill was unknown at the time, then Brushy obviously had a very good reason not to mention it to anyone. Why is this hard for you to understand? Was brushy Oliver P Roberts? Yes documents prove that..Did brushy have black hair? Yes, again documents prove that. Did brushy ride a horse called Cyclone in Wyoming? Again there's proof of no buck horse of that name. Was brushy involved in a shoot out that fateful night?.Not one resident of Sumner ever mentioned a shoot out..I'm not biased but perhaps I've got a very good reason? |
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Post by MissyS on Jan 8, 2023 14:46:05 GMT -5
In Pat Garrett’s book “The Authentic Life of Billy, the Kid, The Noted Desperado of the Southwest, Whose Deeds of Daring and Blood Made His Name a Terror in New Mexico, Arizona and Northern Mexico”. pub. 1882 on page 16 The incident is mentioned particulars are not very descriptive it does mentions the killing of a soldier blacksmith at Fort Bowie Arizona and that Billy’s defenders justified him on the grounds that he was a bully, and it was over him not paying Billy at a game of cards, and the deed exhiled him from Arizona. Windy Cahill’s name is not mentioned, or the date, but the incident of Billy killing a soldier blacksmith is mentioned in the book.
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