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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 28, 2021 11:22:03 GMT -5
An interesting and incorrect genealogical chart, found on page 34 of "Brushy Bill....Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale".
The origin is known. It was created by Eulaine Haws. William Tunstill, author of "Billy the Kid and Me were the Same", successfully identified Eulaine Haws as the granddaughter of Martha Roberts Heath. This is a quote from Eulaine's note on page 31 "The phone rang. I answered it and a voice asked, 'Are you Eulaine Haws? Yes, I answered. Was your grandmother Martha Roberts Heath? the voice asked. Yes, I answered. Then I think you area a cousin of Brushy Bill Roberts, known as Billy the Kid, he replied. Oh no, you're joking, was my reply. Well, that was the shock of my life that turned out to be true. I now have a family tree chart. It seems my grandmother's death certificate contained her mother's maiden name of Dunn. HER STEPMOTHER AND FATHER HELPED RAISE BILLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS AN CLAIMED HIM AS THEIR SON TO PROTECT HIM FROM THE LAW. My grandmother even called him brother. I now have proof that Brushy Bill Roberts alias Billy the Kid of Hico, Texas, is my double third cousin. Mr. Tunstill has worked on the research of Brushy Bill for about eight years. I have helped him for the last 5 years."
The death certificate of Martha Roberts Heath did show that the surname of her mother was Dunn. Martha's mother was Caroline Dunn, not Mary Adeline Dunn. Caroline Dunn Roberts is buried in the Mount Harmony Cemetery in Sebastian County, AR.
Martha's step-mother was Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts. Martha's father was Henry Oliver Roberts.
Eulaine constructed a family tree based on her personal knowledge, combined with incorrect information provided by William Tunstill.
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Post by RonBk on Jul 28, 2021 16:30:49 GMT -5
An interesting and incorrect genealogical chart, found on page 34 of "Brushy Bill....Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale".
The origin is known. It was created by Eulaine Haws. William Tunstill, author of "Billy the Kid and Me were the Same", successfully identified Eulaine Haws as the granddaughter of Martha Roberts Heath. This is a quote from Eulaine's note on page 31 "The phone rang. I answered it and a voice asked, 'Are you Eulaine Haws? Yes, I answered. Was your grandmother Martha Roberts Heath? the voice asked. Yes, I answered. Then I think you area a cousin of Brushy Bill Roberts, known as Billy the Kid, he replied. Oh no, you're joking, was my reply. Well, that was the shock of my life that turned out to be true. I now have a family tree chart. It seems my grandmother's death certificate contained her mother's maiden name of Dunn. HER STEPMOTHER AND FATHER HELPED RAISE BILLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS AN CLAIMED HIM AS THEIR SON TO PROTECT HIM FROM THE LAW. My grandmother even called him brother. I now have proof that Brushy Bill Roberts alias Billy the Kid of Hico, Texas, is my double third cousin. Mr. Tunstill has worked on the research of Brushy Bill for about eight years. I have helped him for the last 5 years."
The death certificate of Martha Roberts Heath did show that the surname of her mother was Dunn. Martha's mother was Caroline Dunn, not Mary Adeline Dunn. Caroline Dunn Roberts is buried in the Mount Harmony Cemetery in Sebastian County, AR.
Martha's step-mother was Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts. Martha's father was Henry Oliver Roberts.
Eulaine constructed a family tree based on her personal knowledge, combined with incorrect information provided by William Tunstill.
That is your interpretation yes. But the fact of the matter is nothing in your post constitutes any proof at all that Eulaine came to the wrong conclusion or that Tunstills information was incorrect. Frankly I dont understand how you came to that conclusion? |
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 28, 2021 18:24:48 GMT -5
An interesting and incorrect genealogical chart, found on page 34 of "Brushy Bill....Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale".
The origin is known. It was created by Eulaine Haws. William Tunstill, author of "Billy the Kid and Me were the Same", successfully identified Eulaine Haws as the granddaughter of Martha Roberts Heath. This is a quote from Eulaine's note on page 31 "The phone rang. I answered it and a voice asked, 'Are you Eulaine Haws? Yes, I answered. Was your grandmother Martha Roberts Heath? the voice asked. Yes, I answered. Then I think you area a cousin of Brushy Bill Roberts, known as Billy the Kid, he replied. Oh no, you're joking, was my reply. Well, that was the shock of my life that turned out to be true. I now have a family tree chart. It seems my grandmother's death certificate contained her mother's maiden name of Dunn. HER STEPMOTHER AND FATHER HELPED RAISE BILLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS AN CLAIMED HIM AS THEIR SON TO PROTECT HIM FROM THE LAW. My grandmother even called him brother. I now have proof that Brushy Bill Roberts alias Billy the Kid of Hico, Texas, is my double third cousin. Mr. Tunstill has worked on the research of Brushy Bill for about eight years. I have helped him for the last 5 years."
The death certificate of Martha Roberts Heath did show that the surname of her mother was Dunn. Martha's mother was Caroline Dunn, not Mary Adeline Dunn. Caroline Dunn Roberts is buried in the Mount Harmony Cemetery in Sebastian County, AR.
Martha's step-mother was Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts. Martha's father was Henry Oliver Roberts.
Eulaine constructed a family tree based on her personal knowledge, combined with incorrect information provided by William Tunstill.
That is your interpretation yes. But the fact of the matter is nothing in your post constitutes any proof at all that Eulaine came to the wrong conclusion or that Tunstills information was incorrect. Frankly I dont understand how you came to that conclusion? HER STEPMOTHER AND FATHER HELPED RAISE BILLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND CLAIMED HIM AS THEIR SON
Martha Roberts Heath was born 3 September 1874; died 11 December 1947.
Martha's father was Henry Oliver Roberts, born 12 May 1852; died 31 March 1924. Martha's step-mother was Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson, born 24 August 1856; died 29 August 1924.
I do not believe Martha's father and step-mother helped raise William Henry Roberts, who claimed to have been born 31 December 1859, and would have been only about 7 years younger than Martha's father and step-mother.
Oliver P Roberts, born in 1879, was raised by Henry Oliver Roberts and Sarah Elizbeth Ferguson, his mother, who was also the step-mother of Martha Roberts Heath.
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Post by RonBk on Jul 28, 2021 23:54:04 GMT -5
I see your point but I do not agree that proves anything either way. You said Tunstill provided incorrect information, what is your proof for that claim?
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Post by texas truth teller on Jul 29, 2021 12:05:48 GMT -5
I see your point but I do not agree that proves anything either way. You said Tunstill provided incorrect information, what is your proof for that claim? Information provided by Tunstill is not substantiated by any primary source. No census, cemetery, or other official record of William Henry Roberts, J H Roberts, Mary Adeline Dunn, step-brother James Roberts, or cousin Ollie Roberts has been found. There are no records of imaginary individuals. No evidence has been found indicating that Oliver P Roberts disappeared about 1911. |
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Post by RonBk on Jul 30, 2021 1:45:56 GMT -5
The lack of census records does not prove those people did not exist. On the other hand there is at least one piece of evidence that supports the chart, the death certificate that says Marthas mother was Caroline Dunn. That supports the family line that Brushy claimed. Brushys claim is also supported here by his relative Eulaine and by Tunstill. So there is supportive evidence, but of course not enough to prove the chart is correct. On the other hand you have no proof that the chart is incorrect. Census records is a collection of information that very often can be wrong and incomplete.
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Post by devorerd on Jul 30, 2021 7:01:12 GMT -5
The lack of census records does not prove those people did not exist. On the other hand there is at least one piece of evidence that supports the chart, the death certificate that says Marthas mother was Caroline Dunn. That supports the family line that Brushy claimed. Brushys claim is also supported here by his relative Eulaine and by Tunstill. So there is supportive evidence, but of course not enough to prove the chart is correct. On the other hand you have no proof that the chart is incorrect. Census records is a collection of information that very often can be wrong and incomplete. In the world of "alias" I do not find it unusual that census data isn't available during the timeframe were looking at, using the common sense angle. Heck even in my occupation when we are asked to provide stats on how many types of employees we have for area wage determination, it's only as good as I what I present. |
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Post by Cancon on Oct 6, 2022 6:02:29 GMT -5
I have not been able to find John Henry Roberts or Mary Adeline Dunn anywhere. I have checked the Quantrill roster, there is no Roberts listed. Even Buffalo Gap web sites do mention it is the birthplace of Billy the Kid! Has anyone ever compared
the picture of Brushy that you have on this website to the photo of Henry Oliver Roberts that's on Find a Grave? Do it! You tell me what you think.
I look forward to some insight here not bickering.
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Post by cassandra jane on Oct 6, 2022 10:04:11 GMT -5
I have not been able to find John Henry Roberts or Mary Adeline Dunn anywhere. I have checked the Quantrill roster, there is no Roberts listed. Even Buffalo Gap web sites do mention it is the birthplace of Billy the Kid! Has anyone ever compared the picture of Brushy that you have on this website to the photo of Henry Oliver Roberts that's on Find a Grave? Do it! You tell me what you think. I look forward to some insight here not bickering. There are records of Mary (Adeline) Dunn all over the place, with and without the middle name. Passenger lists from Ireland to the States, censuses, death records. They’re not all the same person obviously but there are plenty records of women by that name in the rough ballpark we’d be looking for. |
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Post by Cancun on Oct 6, 2022 14:06:15 GMT -5
Here we go! Who cares about how many names there are? I'm looking for a name that can be directly linked to the story. Mary Adeline Dunn does Not show up in the Dunn tree anywhere let alone as a sister to Caroline. I'm only interested in facts, not speculation!
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Post by cassandra jane on Oct 7, 2022 3:54:28 GMT -5
Here we go! Who cares about how many names there are? I'm looking for a name that can be directly linked to the story. Mary Adeline Dunn does Not show up in the Dunn tree anywhere let alone as a sister to Caroline. I'm only interested in facts, not speculation! Tone down the attitude. It’s not speculation that a Mary Dunn existed, it’s a fact. It is also a fact that I said they’re not all the same woman, and it is again a fact that I never said any of the Mary Dunns I’ve come across are in any Roberts family tree - just as much as it’s a fact that I haven’t delved any deeper into any of the records of Mary Dunn’s emigration from Ireland to NYC or into any family trees for these/this woman because it would take too long and I have better things to do with my time right now. |
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Post by leeb on Oct 7, 2022 13:01:14 GMT -5
Here we go! Who cares about how many names there are? I'm looking for a name that can be directly linked to the story. Mary Adeline Dunn does Not show up in the Dunn tree anywhere let alone as a sister to Caroline. I'm only interested in facts, not speculation! You can always find the facts yourself. |
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Post by tboor74 on Oct 8, 2022 10:25:56 GMT -5
Here we go! Who cares about how many names there are? I'm looking for a name that can be directly linked to the story. Mary Adeline Dunn does Not show up in the Dunn tree anywhere let alone as a sister to Caroline. I'm only interested in facts, not speculation! Quite the opinion of oneself to arrive fresh onto a long established board and begin carrying on like a hero, no matter your viewpoint. There's much discussion to be had, but it's unlikely to come in reply to rudeness. There have been many discussions on your chosen topic, feel free to look them up before ****ing your knickers. There are no established links, but as mentioned above, there are many leads to follow, which is surely where the fun is? |
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Post by cassandra jane on Oct 10, 2022 18:49:04 GMT -5
Melissa Bryan now claiming she has irrefutable proof that she and Billy are cousins and is begging people to do a DNA swab on her. She also claims in one breath that her book is available for sale on her website but in the next breath that its release date is delayed. I’m exhausted just seeing her name now.
Edit: since I’ve now finally seen her “family tree” I’m just flabbergasted. As well as being Abrana Garcia and marrying Martin/“Billy” when he was only eleven or twelve years old (because apparently a boy that age is capable of moving easily across New Mexico on his own and having four children from that age, she’s also related to Jesse James, Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday. She also thinks Deluvina was Abrana’s mum or raised her. She also screams about people bullying her over her insane claims but bullies anyone who expresses doubt or points out the holes in her changing stories.
I’ll be the first to say I believe in an afterlife based on my experiences but this woman seriously needs help with her mental health. I would like to know why she took Abrana’s name and ran with it this far.
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