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Post by montanas on Jan 23, 2021 17:58:45 GMT -5
Anybody read it? I found a copy in antique store for $60. In excellent shape. Seems to be quite rare. I don't know anything about the author, Philip Rasch
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Post by Elwood on Jan 23, 2021 20:13:22 GMT -5
Anybody read it? I found a copy in antique store for $60. In excellent shape. Seems to be quite rare. I don't know anything about the author, Philip Rasch Philip J. Rasch (1909-1995), WIKI article here. He was one of the best Billy the Kid researchers of the early years. His three main books were - 1) Trailing Billy the Kid. 2) Gunsmoke In Lincoln County. 3) Warriors of Lincoln County. Further info here about Rasch's books. These three books about Billy the Kid and the Lincoln County War were compiled from various articles that Rasch had published over the many decades when he was researching BtK. After Rasch passed in 1995, the Outlaw-Lawmen group, under the editing of Robert K. DeArment (1925-2021), organized these books and they were issued in limited editions. Most are now in the $25 to $75 price range. You might want to see if your local library can get these books for you via Inter-library loan. |
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Post by chivato88 on Jan 23, 2021 20:15:03 GMT -5
It is one of my next buy, I too am looking foward for comments on this book, it goes for 70-80$ used on Amazon, last book Ive read on LCW was " High Noon in Lincoln" by Utley and it was pretty good but I feel that I have still much to learn about the LCW...
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Post by chivato88 on Jan 24, 2021 14:42:19 GMT -5
One of the things that I would like to know is why did Ira Leonard abandonned the Kid the moment he was needed the most. At first he was much motivated of taking Judge Bristol s place. And he wrote letters to the lazy governor telling him that prosecutor Rynerson and Bristol favored the Dolan faction, all that Rynerson wanted to do is prosecute the Kid and did not care much about the other outlaws. Why did he not try to finish what he started? ( Leonard)
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Post by kerry on Mar 7, 2021 0:45:14 GMT -5
So --who won the LCW ??
In 1880 Chisom and BTK were still in the cattle business...Dolan was bankrupt before the war was over -the House was sold to the County.. the Seven Rivers gang couldn't steal enough Chisom cattle before the war to fill the House cattle contracts and supply came to an abrupt halt as the war ignited and Chisom diverted his cattle away from Lincoln .
Only the Chisom brothers and regulators were still operative in 1880..meanwhile Pat Garrett is working
both sides of Beaver Smith's Saloon -telling tall stories about his qualifications for advancemwnt to anyone who would listen....John Chisom did and got Pat elected Sherriff by stacking the Lincoln ballot withe cowboys --sounds familiar even today.
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Post by Elwood on Mar 7, 2021 9:39:05 GMT -5
So --who won the LCW ?? In 1880 Chisom and BTK were still in the cattle business...Dolan was bankrupt before the war was over -the House was sold to the County.. the Seven Rivers gang couldn't steal enough Chisom cattle before the war to fill the House cattle contracts and supply came to an abrupt halt as the war ignited and Chisom diverted his cattle away from Lincoln . Only the Chisom brothers and regulators were still operative in 1880..meanwhile Pat Garrett is working both sides of Beaver Smith's Saloon -telling tall stories about his qualifications for advancemwnt to anyone who would listen....John Chisom did and got Pat elected Sherriff by stacking the Lincoln ballot withe cowboys --sounds familiar even today. and Stephen B. Elkins were some that were involved in the Lincoln County War. Check Fred Nolan's book about the LCW. |
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Post by kerry on Mar 7, 2021 17:44:17 GMT -5
The Santa Fe Ring did back off after the LCW....just as they were forced to in Colfax County when up against Clay Allison -who like the Regulators- took violence to a whole new level...simularly when they tried their old land grab swindle on Oliver Lee -the Ring lost their Prosecutor and Pat Garrett was forced to retreat after Pat's usual ambush technique failed and a Deputy killed. After the LCW the Ring even stopped harrassing Chisom with legal action and also put their faith in Pat Garrett to stop BTK and provided Poe to protect the cattlemen of the Canadian River.The Santa Fe Ring was not amused when Pat Garrett defrauded and perverted the course of Justice just as they had always done ....once Pat fell from grace -as he always seemed to do -the conspiracy against him was so great that it crossed Party lines as on a much higher level with JFK .
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Post by kerry on Sept 12, 2021 23:43:26 GMT -5
So --who won the LCW ?? In 1880 Chisom and BTK were still in the cattle business...Dolan was bankrupt before the war was over -the House was sold to the County.. the Seven Rivers gang couldn't steal enough Chisom cattle before the war to fill the House cattle contracts and supply came to an abrupt halt as the war ignited and Chisom diverted his cattle away from Lincoln . Only the Chisom brothers and regulators were still operative in 1880..meanwhile Pat Garrett is working both sides of Beaver Smith's Saloon -telling tall stories about his qualifications for advancemwnt to anyone who would listen....John Chisom did and got Pat elected Sherriff by stacking the Lincoln ballot withe cowboys --sounds familiar even today. I don't think the Santa Fe Ring were ever interested in Lincoln County...the big land titles were in Colfax.. Chisum was only an occupier of public land - his wealth was in vast herds (including 10000 sheep).When Chisum sold his operation - he got more for his stock than Lucien Maxwell got for a million acres of land . No wonder John Chisum was extremely sensitive to rustling - whether by agents of the House or BTK...perhaps one reason rustling suddenly ceased around Seven Rivers in 1878 - Clay Allison ranched there briefly at that time.... |
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Post by chivato88 on Sept 17, 2021 19:01:30 GMT -5
One of the things that I would like to know is why did Ira Leonard abandonned the Kid the moment he was needed the most. At first he was much motivated of taking Judge Bristol s place. And he wrote letters to the lazy governor telling him that prosecutor Rynerson and Bristol favored the Dolan faction, all that Rynerson wanted to do is prosecute the Kid and did not care much about the other outlaws. Why did he not try to finish what he started? ( Leonard) Because, Judge Bristol made him and replace him woth Col. Albert Jennings Fountain Fountain later found himself at odds with the Santa Fe Ring and was murdered as result of. I read later from Gale Cooper that there was an attempt on his life( probably Dolan),he quit and left fearing for is life |
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Post by kerry on Sept 18, 2021 18:44:16 GMT -5
Because, Judge Bristol made him and replace him woth Col. Albert Jennings Fountain Fountain later found himself at odds with the Santa Fe Ring and was murdered as result of. I read later from Gale Cooper that there was an attempt on his life( probably Dolan),he quit and left fearing for is life My understanding is that Fountain was part of the Santa Fe ring trying to steal land from ranchers like Oliver Lee .... Democrats were getting stronger and had the legal services of Albert Fall. After Fountain,his son,his horse and arrest warrants disappeared near White Sands - the Ring and Republicans gave Pat Garrett an opportunity to resolve the murders...and revive his fortunes as a Sherriff once again. Nothing went right for Pat as he was up against powerful opponents who conspired against him -eventually leading to Pat's own despicable murder. |
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Post by chivato88 on Jan 31, 2022 17:49:06 GMT -5
I regret not buying it last year, 100$ for a use copy. Now its unavailable on amazon and ebay. Ive seen another use copy about a month ago going for 450$, its too much for me. It should be a good read.
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Post by Elwood on Jan 31, 2022 20:57:42 GMT -5
I regret not buying it last year, 100$ for a use copy. Now its unavailable on amazon and ebay. Ive seen another use copy about a month ago going for 450$, its too much for me. It should be a good read. I just checked on ebay and there is one for about $70.00, including the shipping cost: www.ebay.com/itm/194656020732?hash=item2d526728fc:g:GxQAAOSwJxBhOMnJI already have a good copy of the book, and it is one of the best books that Phillip Rasch had compiled the articles in. It was published after Rasch had passed. |
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Post by chivato88 on Jan 31, 2022 21:02:29 GMT -5
I regret not buying it last year, 100$ for a use copy. Now its unavailable on amazon and ebay. Ive seen another use copy about a month ago going for 450$, its too much for me. It should be a good read. I just checked on ebay and there is one for about $70.00, including the shipping cost: www.ebay.com/itm/194656020732?hash=item2d526728fc:g:GxQAAOSwJxBhOMnJI already have a good copy of the book, and it is one of the best books that Phillip Rasch had compiled the articles in. It was published after Rasch had passed. Thank you very much Elwood, I did not see it, I typed the title and did not show up, weird... |
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Post by chivato88 on Feb 1, 2022 8:27:31 GMT -5
What a bummer, it cant be ship at my adress cause I live in Quebec Canada, thanks anyways Ill keep looking
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Post by cassandra jane on Feb 1, 2022 14:32:11 GMT -5
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