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Post by cassandra jane on Oct 6, 2020 16:30:58 GMT -5
The automatic fall-back on the anti-Brushy train, when nowhere in my posts had I mentioned Brushy in name or in implication, did offend me, so please don't try and tell me it didn't. If you'd approached it differently, and not immediately jumped to the conclusion I was supporting Brushy's claim, I could have accepted it and moved on. That's all I have to say on the matter.
Back on the actual subject of this thread, people can go to ridiculous (and frequently dangerous) lengths to survive bad situations. I've done and said some horrible things in the past in attempts at survival. Granted, in the 'kill or be killed', I'd be in the 'be killed' camp but that's just me.
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Post by MissyS on Oct 6, 2020 18:15:10 GMT -5
Reading these posts, it brings to mind just how odd the quickness of the burial was, because shouldn’t Billy’s family have been notified upon of his death? Billy being buried quickly in Fort Sumner seems as though no respect was given to his next of kin that being Joe Antrim and his Step Father, and or any other kin he may have had to give them some time to travel to Fort Sumner to attend Billy’s funeral, after all his family may not have wanted him buried in Fort Sumner. I can understand if no one knew Billy had any kin, but if Garrett knew of Joe Antrim then it seems odd he wasn’t given a chance to attend or make any decisions on the burial, and I wonder why Joe wasn’t angry about that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 18:42:36 GMT -5
Reading these posts, it brings to mind just how odd the quickness of the burial was, because shouldn’t Billy’s family have been notified upon of his death? Billy being buried quickly in Fort Sumner seems as though no respect was given to his next of kin that being Joe Antrim and his Step Father, and or any other kin he may have had to give them some time to travel to Fort Sumner to attend Billy’s funeral, after all his family may not have wanted him buried in Fort Sumner. I can understand if no one knew Billy had any kin, but if Garrett knew of Joe Antrim then it seems odd he wasn’t given a chance to attend or make any decisions on the burial, and I wonder why Joe wasn’t angry about that? The only explanation I can come up with is that Fort Sumner had no means of preserving a body for there to be an actual funeral. It'd of taken 3-4 days to retrieve the family, and 3-4 days to get back. And that's a best case scenario, because there's the possibility of having to track people down for an additional day or two because they might not have been home. By the time you'd of gotten back to Fort Sumner, the body most likely would've been fly bloated and cooked in the broiling sun, etc--- even in our more modern times we have a hard time keeping a body fresh. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all 😊
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Post by tboor74 on Oct 7, 2020 2:21:45 GMT -5
I'm sure that I've read somewhere that Ft Sumner had an ice house, though whether that ties exactly to the timeframe I can't recall. The quick burial is a huge oddity whatever, even thinking about the heat and not being able to preserve the body for days, the burial was at breakneck speed! I'm sure in almost all other cases of outlaws being caught, the man responsible would display the body for a while, desperate for as many people as possible to see and witness who finally caught X, Y or Z. Aside from anything else, the proof was needed for the reward collection. The burial at indecent haste and lack of actual, confirmed sightees pushes my thoughts towards Billy not being in the coffin. No way. If he was in that box, Garrett would have wanted the world and his wife to see it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 7:39:00 GMT -5
If I had just killed a famous outlaw and had no evidence other than the actual body itself, the last thing I'd be thinking about is getting the body into the ground before it starts to smell. I'd strap that body to a horse and ride all night under the full moon and all next day until i found a photographer to take some photos.
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Post by nmjames on Oct 7, 2020 10:08:56 GMT -5
tboor74,
I don't think there was a ice house in Fort Sumner in 1881. If you can find where there was, let me know.
Pete Maxwell died on June 21, 1898. The Las Vegas newspaper had this to say in part: Fort Sumner: Peter Maxwell died at his home, near that place, on the morning of the 21st, and was buried on the following day. This was in June 1898, why do you think they put Pete in the ground so quick?
Garrett had the evidence that was needed. He took it to Santa Fe and didn't need to take the body.
nmjames
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Post by tboor74 on Oct 7, 2020 10:28:09 GMT -5
I recall reading of an ice house but am not sure of the source. It may even be on here somewhere, and it may well not have been there in 1881 anyway. Regarding pete Maxwell, I don't suppose that many people needed proof of him being dead so he was just buried. Even if it was hot, you'd think Garrett would want to show the body of Billy off. PS just searched here. This is the reference. brushybill.proboards.com/thread/7/billy-garrett-1881?q=blueprint
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Post by nmjames on Oct 7, 2020 10:54:05 GMT -5
Thanks thoor74,
I will try to find the blueprint that you are talking about.
As for Garrett, I feel he did what needed to be done and wanted out of Fort Sumner as well as wanting to get the reward. I feel he took the needed paper work and headed for Santa Fe. We may be thinking the way things are today and not what it was like back in 1881. It was a very different time.
Thanks, nmjames
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 15:34:54 GMT -5
If I had just killed a famous outlaw and had no evidence other than the actual body itself, the last thing I'd be thinking about is getting the body into the ground before it starts to smell. I'd strap that body to a horse and ride all night under the full moon and all next day until i found a photographer to take some photos. Woulda, shoulda, coulda. If I'm not mistaken the nearest photographer was 100+ miles away from Fort Sumner. If a horse trots 8mph, after all you can't make a horse run full bore the entire time otherwise you'll kill your horse, it's taking a full day to get there and another full day to get back. As for the ice house, even though this was in the day and age where germs was just being understood, I don't think anyone would have wanted a bloody corpse in the same place they kept meat, it'd basically poison everything. Considering the beef was hanging off of Maxwell's porch, I tend to think even that early mode of refrigeration just wasn't available. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. That being said, if you put a body in a mixture of sand and lyme you could probably preserve the body for a couple of days and that would've been sufficient. After all, people preserved eggs for months at a time burying them in lyme in those days. I do understand what you're saying though. I understand the frustration. I think too much crap happened that night and it was just best to get it over with and ride out of town as soon as possible, as far as Garrett was concerned. The strongest evidence that The Kid was dead, from my perspective, is that The Kid went radio silent from that day onwards. That certainly goes against his known personality, being the boisterous and media seeking person that he was. Besides the fact that The Kid wanted revenge on Garrett and if he had survived he certainly would've went after Garrett later on, but he never did. We all agree to disagree respectfully of course. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all 😊
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