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Post by antonio on Jan 19, 2023 17:27:23 GMT -5
The way he writes the book makes it seem like Garret lied to cover his own behind or he helped Billy escape. So many holes in his and Poe's story that it's quite eye opening.
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Post by chivato88 on Jan 19, 2023 18:36:52 GMT -5
The way he writes the book makes it seem like Garret lied to cover his own behind or he helped Billy escape. So many holes in his and Poe's story that it's quite eye opening. [br Yes lots of "tells" like Sedarwall likes to say. We have to remember that Ash Upson wrote the book , did Garrett read the book before it was published? Do you think Garrett would had approuved this ridiculous version of the Kid's life? Another thing to remember is that Upson did not like Billy, back in the day he used to say to everyone that Billy was a dangerous thief and should never be trusted. Maybe thats why he wrote so much bs about him
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Post by antonio on Jan 20, 2023 14:18:52 GMT -5
The one part of the book that I wasn't sure why they would lie about is the escape horse after breaking out of the Lincoln jail. If it was in fact Garret's horse like witnesses have said. Why would Upson lie about that? If he hated Billy, why lie about that part? What does it matter if it was a horse once owed by Garret or not?
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Post by chivato88 on Jan 20, 2023 18:22:07 GMT -5
The one part of the book that I wasn't sure why they would lie about is the escape horse after breaking out of the Lincoln jail. If it was in fact Garret's horse like witnesses have said. Why would Upson lie about that? If he hated Billy, why lie about that part? What does it matter if it was a horse once owed by Garret or not? Yeah that part got to me too. I think it does matter if it was Garrett's horse, if Ash knew about it he would not tell on Garrett, they were pretty close. Sedarwall suspects Garrett of giving a chance to Billy to escape. He knew probably that Billy didnt need much to escape, a gun in the privy? A horse ready for him? Gauss probably knew about the plan also.
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Post by antonio on Jan 21, 2023 14:07:54 GMT -5
You are probably right. But if Garret knew the plan, why kill him 3 months later? Just very strange details that go into his escape and his killing.
Also, I never quite understood why Garret would take Poe who didn't know what the Kid looked like to Fort Sumner with him. The part where they saw the kid armed walking into the room where Garret was and they don't stop him or run to Garrets aid? Just very strange to me.
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Post by chivato88 on Jan 21, 2023 16:12:38 GMT -5
You are probably right. But if Garret knew the plan, why kill him 3 months later? Just very strange details that go into his escape and his killing. Also, I never quite understood why Garret would take Poe who didn't know what the Kid looked like to Fort Sumner with him. The part where they saw the kid armed walking into the room where Garret was and they don't stop him or run to Garrets aid? Just very strange to me. Maybe he went on for the kill at Sumner cause he had no choice. He(Kid) had the chance to skip to Mexico after the escape and did not. I do not believe that was the Kid who Garrett shot at the Maxwell's. Like Sedarwall said Garrett's version makes no sense.
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Post by antonio on Jan 21, 2023 22:24:29 GMT -5
You are probably right. But if Garret knew the plan, why kill him 3 months later? Just very strange details that go into his escape and his killing. Also, I never quite understood why Garret would take Poe who didn't know what the Kid looked like to Fort Sumner with him. The part where they saw the kid armed walking into the room where Garret was and they don't stop him or run to Garrets aid? Just very strange to me. Maybe he went on for the kill at Sumner cause he had no choice. He(Kid) had the chance to skip to Mexico after the escape and did not. I do not believe that was the Kid who Garrett shot at the Maxwell's. Like Sedarwall said Garrett's version makes no sense. I don’t think it was either. Why so many holes in the story if it was btk. Why lie and change details unless you are covering up you shot the wrong man or you shot an unarmed man. Like the book said… how does Billy do up his pants with a knife and a gun in his hands?
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Post by chivato88 on Jan 23, 2023 9:54:55 GMT -5
Maybe he went on for the kill at Sumner cause he had no choice. He(Kid) had the chance to skip to Mexico after the escape and did not. I do not believe that was the Kid who Garrett shot at the Maxwell's. Like Sedarwall said Garrett's version makes no sense. I don’t think it was either. Why so many holes in the story if it was btk. Why lie and change details unless you are covering up you shot the wrong man or you shot an unarmed man. Like the book said… how does Billy do up his pants with a knife and a gun in his hands? Reading this book atm, halfway thru and pretty good so far. Attachments:
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Post by leeb on Jan 23, 2023 13:40:06 GMT -5
Maybe he went on for the kill at Sumner cause he had no choice. He(Kid) had the chance to skip to Mexico after the escape and did not. I do not believe that was the Kid who Garrett shot at the Maxwell's. Like Sedarwall said Garrett's version makes no sense. I don’t think it was either. Why so many holes in the story if it was btk. Why lie and change details unless you are covering up you shot the wrong man or you shot an unarmed man. Like the book said… how does Billy do up his pants with a knife and a gun in his hands? I think you might find the word SEEMED to do up his pants.
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Post by chivato88 on Jan 25, 2023 10:26:02 GMT -5
I don’t think it was either. Why so many holes in the story if it was btk. Why lie and change details unless you are covering up you shot the wrong man or you shot an unarmed man. Like the book said… how does Billy do up his pants with a knife and a gun in his hands? Reading this book atm, halfway thru and pretty good so far. Chapter 12-13-14 talks about the investigation that Sederwall did on the escape
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Post by texas on Jun 14, 2023 11:07:48 GMT -5
"Brushy said he accidentally shot Bell at the top of the stairs -with Bell's own gun........" In Sederwalls book I believe he said that Gauss had said that Bells pistol was still in his holster after he was shot. Brushy says he used Bells gun on him. Nothing else is said about that pistol after that. I need to go back and find that in Sederwalls book to see if I remember it correctly. i'm still reading the book so maybe clarity will come out as I finish. That part stuck out to me as to who's correct
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Post by texas on Jun 14, 2023 12:13:48 GMT -5
"Brushy said he accidentally shot Bell at the top of the stairs -with Bell's own gun........" In Sederwalls book I believe he said that Gauss had said that Bells pistol was still in his holster after he was shot. Brushy says he used Bells gun on him. Nothing else is said about that pistol after that. I need to go back and find that in Sederwalls book to see if I remember it correctly. i'm still reading the book so maybe clarity will come out as I finish. That part stuck out to me as to who's correct So I found what was written in Sederwalls book...Garrett apparently is the one who said that Bells pistol was in his "scabbard". This from Maurice Fulton who was told this by Garretts friend Lucian Dills. A lot of heresay it seems now on this issue. Still I can't remember that pistol ever being talked about since. If holstered, who got the pistol? If Brushy took it i don't remember him saying anymore about it
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Post by Morley on Jun 17, 2023 14:53:02 GMT -5
You are correct, bells gun was not used and still on his person. If I remember correctly a passing solicitor verified this. That shoots another hole in brushy's unbelievable barrel.
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Post by Morley on Jun 17, 2023 14:53:49 GMT -5
You are correct, bells gun was not used and still on his person. If I remember correctly a passing solicitor verified this. That shoots another hole in brushy's unbelievable barrel.
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Post by texas on Jun 18, 2023 11:27:17 GMT -5
You are correct, bells gun was not used and still on his person. If I remember correctly a passing solicitor verified this. That shoots another hole in brushy's unbelievable barrel. Can you find the source of your statement. I know what I stated was handed down from 3 other people starting at the top with Garrett who in my opinion wasn't very reliable in stating what happened over various situations concerning the Kid.
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