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Post by clydec on Oct 11, 2016 9:03:18 GMT -5
I was wondering if anyone has heard about a letter written by Oliver Lee to Pat Garrett stating that he knew that Garrett had lied about that night in Fort Sumner and that he did not kill the kid?
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Post by 1881- on Sept 29, 2018 7:33:50 GMT -5
clydec,
Who was Oliver Lee? I don't recall seeing the name before.
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Post by MissyS on Sept 30, 2018 15:26:07 GMT -5
Could this be Oliver Milton Lee?, He was quite an interesting man, born in Buffalo Gap. Photos of him kinda look like Brushy to me. Theres a State Park named after him too. Interesting that he would write a letter if it was him? www.legendsofamerica.com/oliver-lee/ |
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Post by clydec on Oct 1, 2018 19:08:40 GMT -5
Oliver Lee was the man who had Pat Garrett killed allegedly. The shooter was really Oliver Lee's nephew Todd Bailey. Todd's Grandson Buck Bailey told me that Lee wrote a letter to Garrett before Garrett was killed telling him that he knew that he did not kill the kid that night in Fort Sumner. Buck Bailey said they knew the kid was still alive years later because his Grandfather's sister told Buck and Steve Sederwall that the kid lived near them in Arkansas and would drop by to visit with Todd who knew him from years before. Brushy Bill had a ranch in Arkansas at the same time Todd Bailey did about 2o miles from him. Not a coincidence I think!
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 2, 2018 15:26:05 GMT -5
Wow, this is really intriguing. Everybody watch out because I'm going to start hypothesizing again (LOL).
If Brushy (Billy) was acquainted with Oliver Lee who was raised in Buffalo Gap, maybe we now know where Brushy got the middle initial "L" and why he claimed he was born in Buffalo Gap? Maybe?
It certainly seems more than coincidence.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Oct 2, 2018 21:11:40 GMT -5
Wow, this is really intriguing. Everybody watch out because I'm going to start hypothesizing again (LOL). If Brushy (Billy) was acquainted with Oliver Lee who was raised in Buffalo Gap, maybe we now know where Brushy got the middle initial "L" and why he claimed he was born in Buffalo Gap? Maybe? It certainly seems more than coincidence. Census records: 1870 TX census, Milam Co Oliver Lee age 67 Mary F Lee age 38 Oliver Lee age 4 1880 TX census, Taylor Co M F Lee age 48 O M Lee age 14 |
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 3, 2018 15:40:24 GMT -5
What are you saying is the significance of those census records? Are you trying to suggest Billy The Kid could not have known Oliver Lee?
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Post by clydec on Oct 3, 2018 18:40:09 GMT -5
Wayne, you should get in touch with Buck Bailey, Todd Bailey's grandson. He is adamant that Brushy was the kid. He did as you did, he took the photos of both men and did the measurements and he said they were almost a perfect match. Buck is an ex-lawman and he is a stand-up guy. Steve Sedaerwall met with Buck years ago when he was investigating Pat Garrett's murder and went to the site where he was killed and did a CSI investigation there and has no doubt that Todd Bailey shot and killed Pat Garrett. While he was interviewing Buck, Todd Bailey's sister who was still alive at the time came there and she told Steve that Billy the kid use to come and visit her and Todd at Todd's home in Arkansas and did not live to far away. I believe this was Brushy who had a ranch close by. I will tell you something else Buck told me, when Garrett had the shootout with Lee and his men at Lee's ranch over the killing of Colonel Fountain and his son the kid was at Lee's ranch and was hiding inside in a crawlspace under the floor.
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 3, 2018 20:40:23 GMT -5
Thanks Clyde. I'd love to contact him. I'm just thinking maybe Brushy improvised the claim he was born in Buffalo Gap and the middle initial "L" because he had known and maybe admired Oliver Lee. I hope someday all this comes together in a way so we can know the truth.
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Post by nmjames on Oct 3, 2018 22:49:52 GMT -5
Clyde
When you say the kid was at Lee's ranch and was hiding inside in a crawlspace "under the floor." What Kid are you talking about? I can't discuss this at this time but am going to make a phone call tomorrow and if I can made contact with a certain person, I may have more about all of this. A family member told me a story a few years back but I feel I need to get the OK to talk about it.
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Post by clydec on Oct 4, 2018 12:53:56 GMT -5
I was told by Buck Bailey who is Todd Bailey's grandson that Billy the kid was in the house at the time hiding when the shootout occurred. This was told to him by a family member, likely his Aunt who heard the story from Todd Bailey.
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Post by nmjames on Oct 5, 2018 1:42:14 GMT -5
,Thanks Clydec.
The reason I ask you what kid, is there were some kids (children) in the house and I was told one was on top of the house with Lee and Gilliland. I did make contact with my friend and was told the name but I don't think that will matter. Pat Garrett did search the house and you can find the names of most of the people there. I hope to visit with Tom Tucker's kin tomorrow and get his side of the story. Also the person I was in contact with today has a book that George McNew wrote and knew him very well. I have read what Mr. McNew had to say about the fight of Lee's Well but it was back in 2009 and I want to read it again. That will have to wait a couple of weeks.
Pat Garrett killed Billy back in 1881 and this happen July 12, 1898.
Thanks,
nm james
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Post by clydec on Oct 5, 2018 12:12:56 GMT -5
Pat allegedly killed Billy, I have not been convinced that he did yet.
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Post by MissyS on Feb 22, 2023 2:06:07 GMT -5
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