New book out titled," Brushy Bill Just Another Billy the

[markmak]

New book out titled," Brushy Bill Just Another Billy the KidTall Tale?" Author Roy Haws. He claimes to be great-great nephew of Brushy Bill Roberts and therefore has access to family records, documentation, and testimony from family members. He wants to try and prove Brushy was just a story teller. I believe Brushy is The Kidd. Has anyone read the book? Its fairely new, I saw it on facebook. Not to push traffic to his facebook, but his post date Oct 27 2014, he posted an interview of Brushy talking about F. Dalton being Jesse James!!!! WOW WE GET TO HEAR HIS VOICE!!!!!!! His post reads"For those that would like to hear the actual voice of Brushy Bill, this is a recording from September 6, 1949 in an interview with Morrey Davidson."

[markmak]

PS. Wayne mentioned in a post the Kid had a bit of a high pitch voice. Our Brushy talking has a bit of high pitch voice!!
PS. PLEASE wear tough skin if you go to this naysayers fb page. I had to hold back, and bite tongue.

[Wayne Land]

Yes I've read the book. He sent me a free copy. In fact he mentions me several times, especially in the last chapter. No, he doesn't have any family records, documentation or testimony from family members that we didn't already know about or have access to. I would encourage anyone to read the book but if you're looking for actual "proof" Brushy was not BTK you'll not find it. He intimates to the reader that his mother was duped into believing Brushy's story and that she later recanted, but in fact he never actually says she recanted and when I confronted him with that he said basically that she died still believing Brushy. His mother's parents were in a position to know the facts since if Brushy was actually the real Oliver P. Roberts they would have known him since he was a child, yet she believed Brushy.

[markmak]

Thanks Wayne!!!

[Texas Truth Teller]

"His mother's parents were in a position to know the facts since if Brushy was actually the real Oliver P. Roberts they would have known him since he was a child, yet she believed Brushy."

"YET SHE BELIEVED BRUSHY.". Get it right, Wayne. This occurred in the 1980s, long after Brushy Bill died in 1950. Are you really surprised that Wiliam A. Tunstii was able to convince Eulaine Haws with his fabricated genealogy that Brushy Bill was BtK? Just look at the number of posters on your board who still believe the myth. You scoff at the family members,, Geneva Roberts Pittmon, and Roy Haws, saying they were too young to know, but turn right around and maintain Elaine's parents were old enough to know that Brush Bill was Oliver Pleasant Roberts.

[Wayne Land]

You may be correct, but I need to research birth dates and such for Roy's grandparents. My assertion is that his Grandparents, Eulaine's parents would have been old enough to have known Brushy when he was a child and witnessed him grow beyond the age of 21. If that is the case, then I am "assuming" that when Brushy made his claim in the late 1940's, Elaine's mother would have been old enough at that time to verify his being the real Oliver P and not BTK. I further assume that Elaine's mother would have told her so and that in 1980, it would be very tough for Tunstill to convince Eulaine that her mother or parents were lying to her about something "they" had firsthand knowledge of. Please understand as well that I am not suggesting Roy's mother is a more credible source than Geneva Pittmon. I'm suggesting her mother was certainly as "credible" as Geneva.

I'll get back on Ancestry and check the dates and if my assumptions are not valid, I'll post a correction.

Thanks,

[Wayne Land]

May 16, 2015 15:31:58 GMT -5 Texas Truth Teller said:

"His mother's parents were in a position to know the facts since if Brushy was actually the real Oliver P. Roberts they would have known him since he was a child, yet she believed Brushy."

"YET SHE BELIEVED BRUSHY.". Get it right, Wayne. This occurred in the 1980s, long after Brushy Bill died in 1950. Are you really surprised that Wiliam A. Tunstii was able to convince Eulaine Haws with his fabricated genealogy that Brushy Bill was BtK? Just look at the number of posters on your board who still believe the myth. You scoff at the family members,, Geneva Roberts Pittmon, and Roy Haws, saying they were too young to know, but turn right around and maintain Elaine's parents were old enough to know that Brush Bill was Oliver Pleasant Roberts.

I promised to look into the timeline to take a closer look at my assumptions and see if they were valid. I'm sorry it took so long to get to this but here's my logic.

Martha Vada Roberts, sister of Oliver P. Roberts died in Cherokee, TX, Dec 11, 1947. She lived long enough to have been aware of Brushy's claims and/or odd behavior but if he was indeed the real Oliver, she knew that for an absolute fact. Vada Belle Heath was Martha's daughter and Roy Haws’ Grandmother. She was born in 1899 and died in Cherokee, TX in 1977. She was old enough to have known Brushy prior to 1908-10 when I believe he first took the alias of Oliver and I find it difficult to believe there were never any discussions between her and her mother about her uncle Oliver's claims.

My premise was that Eulaine's mother was in a better position to know the truth about Brushy than was Geneva Pittmon and in that, I was correct. She was born 9 or 10 years before the alleged alias taking, and Geneva was was born years after. However, I had basically assumed she would have been around for Eulaine to ask her about Brushy when she was communicating with Tunstill. If that was indeed the 1980's then Eulaine's mother had already passed away a few years earlier and in that sense I had made a false assumption without checking the dates involved.

However, I still think it likely Eulaine would have heard discussions about Brushy from her mother who, yes, "was" in a position to know the facts. If her own mother had discussed how looney uncle Oliver was in making crazy claims then it would have been pretty tough for Tunstill to convince her otherwise. But as I said before, she apparently died believing he was Billy The Kid. Yet Roy wants to use her as proof Brushy was "not" Billy. That doesn't make much sense to me.