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Post by leeb on Jul 1, 2021 16:16:13 GMT -5
So BTK received 26 scars from birth to July 1881. Obviously they must have been prominent to be noticed. Then vanished off the face of the earth till 1950 and returned with exactly the same scars but no extra ones,.fishy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 16:56:05 GMT -5
Oops, there's no records whatsoever. Uh, actually there is. Read George Coe's account. Read virtually every account of Billy during the killing of Brady. There are numerous others. What is the chances of Billy going through the Lincoln County War and not having any scars? I will have to pull out the books again and go through everyone of them, but it would be ridiculous to say that he did not have any. It is also ridiculous to say that Dewitt Travis and Bill Morrison were lying, because their reputations were on the line. If Governor Mabry was honest, then why did he not have everyone involved arrested as frauds? Morrison would be violating his legal license. Also in the census of I think 1930 or 1940 I do not remember which, but I think both 30' and 40' it is listed that William V. Morrison had 5 years of college.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 16:57:31 GMT -5
So BTK received 26 scars from birth to July 1881. Obviously they must have been prominent to be noticed. Then vanished off the face of the earth till 1950 and returned with exactly the same scars but no extra ones,.fishy If you look at the picture of Brushy standing over J. Frank Dalton in his bed, then you can see the one on his forehead that he received during the shootout with Pat Garrett. It would be stupid for them to lie about such, especially one that you could see. So, it is a little bit silly to me to say that they were lying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 17:01:39 GMT -5
So BTK received 26 scars from birth to July 1881. Obviously they must have been prominent to be noticed. Then vanished off the face of the earth till 1950 and returned with exactly the same scars but no extra ones,.fishy He could have had even more than that. Think about it Cuba, Mexican Revolution, Anti-Horse Theft Association, Gladewater policeman etc. I am not going to recount the whole thing, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the man had scars, especially when he and others said so, and there is one that we can see, and there is really no reason not to believe him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 17:02:16 GMT -5
So BTK received 26 scars from birth to July 1881. Obviously they must have been prominent to be noticed. Then vanished off the face of the earth till 1950 and returned with exactly the same scars but no extra ones,.fishy Morrison said that he had every scar that Billy had and then some.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 1, 2021 17:45:00 GMT -5
Could someone tell me where it's documented that BTK did indeed have 26 scars on his body and more importantly where they was located so they matched those that brushy had. BTK had only one noted wound to his left thigh. Just asking. One place is the Dewitt Travis affidavit and likely in the evidence that Morrison gave Governor Mabry, which was destroyed, except for the affidavits. Why would anyone believe DeWitt Travis (26 Mar 1889-26 Feb 1961)? Find a Grave Memorial #97964768. He was born about 8 years after Garrett filed the fatal shot, and DeWitt could not have seen Billy the Kid before 1882. He could not truthfully attest to how many scars Billy the Kid had. DeWitt could only swear to the number of scars on Brushy Bill's body.
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Post by devorerd on Jul 1, 2021 20:21:11 GMT -5
Oops, there's no records whatsoever. So at first the question of is there any record of the 26 scars is mildly intriguing, until common sense kicks in. So, do we even remotely think someone like Jesus Silva, who hung out with BTK asked him, "Hey Beely, got any more scars we can talk about"? Seriously the thought of that is laughable really. So during interviews with people who claim to know the Kid, are they going to ask, "did BTK ever talk about his scars, or injuries"? The only time one usually talks about injuries is the one who got injured and they are disclosing them for whatever reason. The gun shot to the leg was "witnessed" hence the "record"of that. If one accidentally shot themselves do you think they would be advertising that, or walk around talking about it, low probability. So to answer your question, the only record is what was said and empirically verified by Morrison, who by all accounts had integrity. Hope my reasonable conclusion resonates.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 21:32:39 GMT -5
One place is the Dewitt Travis affidavit and likely in the evidence that Morrison gave Governor Mabry, which was destroyed, except for the affidavits. Why would anyone believe DeWitt Travis (26 Mar 1889-26 Feb 1961)? Find a Grave Memorial #97964768. He was born about 8 years after Garrett filed the fatal shot, and DeWitt could not have seen Billy the Kid before 1882. He could not truthfully attest to how many scars Billy the Kid had. DeWitt could only swear to the number of scars on Brushy Bill's body. He can attest to how many scars Brushy has. That is all I said. He is merely corroborating that Brushy has 26 scars. Why would they not? His father knew Brushy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 21:37:19 GMT -5
Oops, there's no records whatsoever. So at first the question of is there any record of the 26 scars is mildly intriguing, until common sense kicks in. So, do we even remotely think someone like Jesus Silva, who hung out with BTK asked him, "Hey Beely, got any more scars we can talk about"? Seriously the thought of that is laughable really. So during interviews with people who claim to know the Kid, are they going to ask, "did BTK ever talk about his scars, or injuries"? The only time one usually talks about injuries is the one who got injured and they are disclosing them for whatever reason. The gun shot to the leg was "witnessed" hence the "record"of that. If one accidentally shot themselves do you think they would be advertising that, or walk around talking about it, low probability. So to answer your question, the only record is what was said and empirically verified by Morrison, who by all accounts had integrity. Hope my reasonable conclusion resonates. Actually there is. I am not going to dig every Billy book out, but you would have to be dumb to say someone did not have the scars as you cannot prove that they did not have them, and secondly you would have to be a fool to believe that someone like Billy the Kid did not have bullet and knife scars, but there actually is records of them. You know what the only recorded scar that George Coe has is a picture of his finger being shot off, but does that mean that he does not have others? Of course it does not. There is no 'record' that exist of me having certain scars, per se, but I have them and I am not a famous outlaw.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 21:44:29 GMT -5
Oops, there's no records whatsoever. So at first the question of is there any record of the 26 scars is mildly intriguing, until common sense kicks in. So, do we even remotely think someone like Jesus Silva, who hung out with BTK asked him, "Hey Beely, got any more scars we can talk about"? Seriously the thought of that is laughable really. So during interviews with people who claim to know the Kid, are they going to ask, "did BTK ever talk about his scars, or injuries"? The only time one usually talks about injuries is the one who got injured and they are disclosing them for whatever reason. The gun shot to the leg was "witnessed" hence the "record"of that. If one accidentally shot themselves do you think they would be advertising that, or walk around talking about it, low probability. So to answer your question, the only record is what was said and empirically verified by Morrison, who by all accounts had integrity. Hope my reasonable conclusion resonates. But my whole point is that other people did see the man get wounded and saw some of them. Billy would probably go back to Jesus Silva with a wound and ask him to help him clean it. I cannot recite every book, every article, every letter of document that I have in my possession. You have are also using conjecture. I was honest and said that I would have to go back and look at every book to be fair and the others took what I said out of context. Its Billy.
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Post by kerry on Jul 1, 2021 23:14:16 GMT -5
Obviously - there was the .44 bullet track along Brushy's jaw that he allowed Morrison to examine by touch...this wound would have been the closest to death he came in all his life - the shooter was Kip Mckinney using a rifle...he was not seen by Brushy crouching down outside the picket fence.A second shot from Mckinney grazed the top of Brushy's head as he was incapacitated and forced to retreat. Mckinney was a more experienced gunman than either Garrett or Poe and did claim later in life that it was he who shot BTK obviously not refering to the man shot by Pat Garrett in Pete Maxwell's bedroom .
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Post by leeb on Jul 2, 2021 13:19:24 GMT -5
So BTK received 26 scars from birth to July 1881. Obviously they must have been prominent to be noticed. Then vanished off the face of the earth till 1950 and returned with exactly the same scars but no extra ones,.fishy Morrison said that he had every scar that Billy had and then some. where was Morrison's proof? All I'm asking is that for someone to compare something they must have a document which lists all the wounds/scars and locations to match it with. This hasn't, never has and never will. And besides it's the pro brushies who heavily rely on the scars scenario but not one can provide any evidence whatsoever to support it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 15:35:24 GMT -5
Morrison said that he had every scar that Billy had and then some. where was Morrison's proof? All I'm asking is that for someone to compare something they must have a document which lists all the wounds/scars and locations to match it with. This hasn't, never has and never will. And besides it's the pro brushies who heavily rely on the scars scenario but not one can provide any evidence whatsoever to support it. That is fine, but I would have to go back through several books. It has been a while since I read George Coe's, for example. So, I will have to go back and look through the books. Is there an actual document per se that says that he had this scar or that one, I do not know if there is a document, but I do know that there are accounts recording him being shot in various places. One is where is helps a group of German immigrants who are being robbed. He got shot in one of his boot heels. The one on the hip that he got when he went to retrieve his single action colt.44 the pearl handled one that he paid $25 for done in San Antone and he thought a lot of that gun. We know that he had a wound on the left or the right hand depending on what account you read. I will get back later on this, but there I found 3 for you. I can go back and find more, but in my research I have not been focused on that aspect, so I have read about wounds that he had or different accounts describe him as having, but I dug up 3 for you and I do not have time to look through every account today, but there I spent a little time looking through a few accounts and found 3 at least, but I do not have time right now to go through all of them and find more, but my point is you will find some in different accounts that are similar enough that likely the kid really had a wound on one or more of these spots of his body, but as I read your message. I only had time to look for a few.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 15:38:21 GMT -5
One place is the Dewitt Travis affidavit and likely in the evidence that Morrison gave Governor Mabry, which was destroyed, except for the affidavits. Why would anyone believe DeWitt Travis (26 Mar 1889-26 Feb 1961)? Find a Grave Memorial #97964768. He was born about 8 years after Garrett filed the fatal shot, and DeWitt could not have seen Billy the Kid before 1882. He could not truthfully attest to how many scars Billy the Kid had. DeWitt could only swear to the number of scars on Brushy Bill's body. Also Dewitt's father fought with Brushy's during the Civil War and his mom and Brushy's mom were girlhood friends.
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Post by devorerd on Jul 2, 2021 15:39:57 GMT -5
Morrison said that he had every scar that Billy had and then some. where was Morrison's proof? All I'm asking is that for someone to compare something they must have a document which lists all the wounds/scars and locations to match it with. This hasn't, never has and never will. And besides it's the pro brushies who heavily rely on the scars scenario but not one can provide any evidence whatsoever to support it. Every scar up until BTK died..Right, so the leg wound was verified, just another coincidence, man this Brushy guy had a lot of coincidences in his favor, guess luck was on his side.
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