Ola Everhard Interview

[WhisperingBillyBarlow]

youtu.be/Kv_ZtOMAepk?si=qIY0o5ifLvdhhSVU

Breaking down the "facts" that Ola said in relation to Brushy Bill Roberts and how that compares to other narratives about Roberts from Morrison and others, and other interesting tid bits of information:

1- Ola says that J. Frank Dalton as Jesse James fought alongside "Wild" Henry Roberts, who allegedly was Brushy Bill Roberts father. They were Quantrill men. Brushy was allegedly 7 years old when this happened. "Wild" Henry Roberts served as pallbearer at the funeral, and it was Charlie Bigelow who was buried and not Jesse James. "Wild" Henry supposedly was in on the scheme, along with many others.

2- Claimed Garrett's daughter, who was blind, insisted that Garrett never killed The Kid because they were friends.

3- Says that Brushy wrote to J. Frank Dalton about William Morrison, after Dalton came out saying he was Jesse James.

4- Claims that Brushy, his wife and DeWitt Travis planned on coming up to stay at Ola's but that he had died in front of the post office when trying to mail her a letter. Said afterwards Morrison wrote to her.

5- Claims she had letters from various people including Ozark Jack Berlin saying Brushy and Dalton were Billy and Jesse. Claims she had a letter from Frank James daughter and basically implied she believed Dalton was the real deal.

6- DeWitt Travis claimed he basically financially supported Dalton and Brushy both.

7- Said Brushy Bill Roberts couldn't really read or write, and that his wife and stepkids wrote his letters.

8- Claimed both Adeline Dunn and Henry Roberts came from around Lexington Kentucky, and said Katherine Bonney (also from Kentucky) was a half sister to Adeline Dunn and that she had a son of her own (Joseph) and took Brushy Bill Roberts into her care when she moved to Indiana. Claims McCarty was killed in Tennessee during the Civil War. They relocated to Kansas, then off to Silver City New Mexico.

9- Claimed that when Dalton came out that Brushy stayed a week at Daltons home in Guthrie Oklahoma.

10- Claimed that Orvus Lee Howk/Houck had threatened her life, didn't want her at the funeral, etc.

11- Claimed both Garrett and Frank James are in a picture together as Texas Rangers circa 1886.

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[MissyS]

Interesting claims. I wonder what picture Pat Garrett and Frank James as Texas Rangers that could be? Frank James lived in Dallas at one time, but  I don’t believe he ever joined the Texas Rangers?

[WhisperingBillyBarlow]

Hard to say Missy, because nobody quite produces these things in question when making the claims. I often wonder if photos allegedly of different people were shown to people, and they were none the wiser about the authenticity and just noted it mentally in their head that such a photo existed when it never did.

Now, Garrett was a Texas Ranger in 1884 but only did it for a few weeks. Frank James was in Texas around that time, eventually living in Dallas, but far as I know never was in the Texas Rangers.

So I have to take it all as a myth spun by J. Frank Dalton, and was something Tunstill bought into hook line and sinker. There's a lot of photos floating around the Old West of famous outlaws and lawmen allegedly which are obviously not, perhaps that was one of them.

I do know the story of Pat's blind daughter saying her dad didn't kill Billy The Kid is untrue, so Ola was merely repeating a story she heard 2nd hand or third hand.

What interested me most was the alleged genealogy of Brushy Bill Roberts, in relation to the Dalton story as if both men needed each other to back each other up. Combined with the tidbits here and there of where Dalton was at different times (ie, Guthrie Oklahoma).

I have stated before that if Dalton was a Howk/Houck there is a Jepath Howk who did live in Oklahoma and perhaps that is where Dalton actually resided or grew up. It'd make sense, since they did come from Missouri and Dalton kinda just appeared out of nowhere in Oklahoma and Texas in the 1920s and 1930s.

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[MissyS]

I found a group photo of Pat Garrett I don’t know what year it was taken? Theres a man in the photo labeled as Frank James, however it’s noted that he’s a “merchant”. It also says it’s Tascosa Officials, not Texas Rangers, so this photo may not be the one Ola Everhard was referring to? It’s interesting there’s a Frank James in the photo though. 

texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth225495/m1/234/?q=Pat%20garrett

[billybarlowofficial]

Nov 7, 2023 1:52:21 GMT -5 MissyS said:

I found a group photo of Pat Garrett I don’t know what year it was taken? Theres a man in the photo labeled as Frank James, however it’s noted that he’s a “merchant”. It also says it’s Tascosa Officials, not Texas Rangers, so this photo may not be the one Ola Everhard was referring to? It’s interesting there’s a Frank James in the photo though. 

texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth225495/m1/234/?q=Pat%20garrett

Missy... I think you solved this Scooby-Doo mystery. Alas, though, it's not THE Frank James but an unrelated Frank James. I think, however, this picture labeled Frank James and Pat Garrett is the picture Ola Everhard was referring to. Just a case of mistaken identity.

genealogytrails.com/tex/panhandle/oldham/history1.html

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[RonBk]

Very interesting. Jim East is also in that photo. Amazing find Missy.

[RonBk]

A comparison to other known photos of Frank James at various ages:

[RonBk]

Nov 7, 2023 2:06:56 GMT -5 billybarlowofficial said:

Nov 7, 2023 1:52:21 GMT -5 MissyS said:

I found a group photo of Pat Garrett I don’t know what year it was taken? Theres a man in the photo labeled as Frank James, however it’s noted that he’s a “merchant”. It also says it’s Tascosa Officials, not Texas Rangers, so this photo may not be the one Ola Everhard was referring to? It’s interesting there’s a Frank James in the photo though. 

texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth225495/m1/234/?q=Pat%20garrett

Missy... I think you solved this Scooby-Doo mystery. Alas, though, it's not THE Frank James but an unrelated Frank James. I think, however, this picture labeled Frank James and Pat Garrett is the picture Ola Everhard was referring to. Just a case of mistaken identity.

genealogytrails.com/tex/panhandle/oldham/history1.html

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Good find, the article also mentions that is the same Jim East as the one involved in the capture of Btk.

[whiskeyta]

Jesse and Frank James sister was Susan Lavenia (James) Parmer. After marrying Allen Parmer in Missouri they moved to Archer county Texas. There are rumors of Frank and Jesse visiting them in Archer County. Might be another angle to look into.

[MissyS]

Here is a link to some information about Frank James in Texas.

texoso66.com/2020/12/09/frank-james-in-texas/

[billybarlowofficial]

Nov 7, 2023 21:01:13 GMT -5 whiskeyta said:

Jesse and Frank James sister was Susan Lavenia (James) Parmer. After marrying Allen Parmer in Missouri they moved to Archer county Texas. There are rumors of Frank and Jesse visiting them in Archer County. Might be another angle to look into.

If one looks at the known, legitimate genealogy of Brushy Bill Roberts one finds the family name of Ogden. As Jesse James aficionados know, Jesse James's sister married Allen Parmer.

What most forget is he married a woman named Sarah Catherine Ogden after divorcing Susan. Where was this Ogden woman? In Texas. Where did she marry Parmer? Wichita County Texas.

Which brings us to the Dunn line. Francis Marion Dunn's daughter was Anna Dunn who married the preacher Francis Ogden of Kentucky. They both lived in Arkansas. Little is known or written about Francis Ogden, but perhaps it's possible that this Ogden man was related to the Ogden woman that Parmer married.

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[RonBk]

The following family may be of interest.

William Henry Roberts (1832-1893) born in Virginia, lived in Kentucky for a time and then moved to Nacogdoches Texas, married to Mary Pelina Hudson (1838–1919) from Tennessee. From what I can see they had 9 children born between 1855 and 1878. The names Ogden and Dunn are also there in the same family tree. William Henry Roberts had a brother James R Roberts born 1841, no death date given but it says he was living with a brother in Graves Kentucky in the 1860 census.

[billybarlowofficial]

Nov 8, 2023 13:03:12 GMT -5 RonBk said:

The following family may be of interest.

William Henry Roberts (1832-1893) born in Virginia, lived in Kentucky for a time and then moved to Nacogdoches Texas, married to Mary Pelina Hudson (1838–1919) from Tennessee. From what I can see they had 9 children born between 1855 and 1878. The names Ogden and Dunn are also there in the same family tree. William Henry Roberts had a brother James R Roberts born 1841, no death date given but it says he was living with a brother in Graves Kentucky in the 1860 census.

That family is what makes me believe Brushy Bill Roberts is connected to the Antrim family via James Roberts who married Mary Polly Antrim in Logan County Ohio. I think that Roberts bunch is not only related to Brushy's bunch, but also to the Roberts bunch from Ohio and Indiana. They all basically merge in Kentucky or Tennessee, then seperate.

Its in THAT bunch of Roberts you find an interesting set of names: Katherine Dunn married to a Henry McCarty, or maybe it was Katherine McCarty married to a Henry Dunn. I had all of this written on the forum before, but much was deleted due to past arguments.

Like I said, its in the officially known genealogy where answers will be found. I believe that Roberts group out of Nachodoches is related to the Roberts group out of Arkansas, and they both are related to the Roberts group in Ohio/Indiana.

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