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Post by MissyS on Nov 5, 2023 0:56:40 GMT -5
I don’t know if this was discussed before?, but I didn’t see it posted. There’s a YouTube video, Interview of Jimmie Thomas, by Brett Hall, Jimmie Thomas is the 2nd Great Grandson of Odila Maxwell, the sister of Paulita Maxwell. Jimmie Thomas talks about the story his family told and passed down about the shooting that night. It’s very interesting.  |
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Post by WhisperingBillyBarlow on Nov 5, 2023 3:20:02 GMT -5
I don’t know if this was discussed before?, but I didn’t see it posted. There’s a YouTube video, Interview of Jimmie Thomas, by Brett Hall, Jimmie Thomas is the 2nd Great Grandson of Odila Maxwell, the sister of Paulita Maxwell. Jimmie Thomas talks about the story his family told and passed down about the shooting that night. It’s very interesting. Watching this now. I'm not quite a fan of Hall's because of the association with Tunstill, but I think there are nuggets of truth in all of the interviews previously uploaded. He says in the 50s that his parents would go to Fort Sumner and his relatives were charging 50 cents a head to anyone who wanted to walk into the room where Billy The Kid was alleged shot. According to him, from family lore, Garrett kept himself hidden underneath a bench/bed with a double barrel shotgun and shot whoever walked into the room getting beef. That person apparently was not Billy The Kid. The burial of that person, etc was all done rapidly. He says that as The Kid made his escape, a short gun battle ensued, and The Kid was wounded. He managed to get away. The name (supposedly) of the man killed was Billy Bowdrie. It's interesting, as it's the only story that somewhat matches Roberts story. There are key fundamental differences between the story and Brushy's account. Although it might be taken with a grain of salt, as the man admits he's been to Hico and believes Brushy was The Kid. The only question I have is that IF Garrett knew that The Kid wasn't dead, and killed the wrong man, why didn't he pursue The Kid afterwards? Unless the townspeople somehow convinced Garrett that indeed he killed The Kid when he really didn't. But what doesn't make sense, if there was indeed a shootout down the street, why didn't Poe and company pursue the man they fired at? Why wouldn't you pursue someone who was shooting at you? It doesn't make much sense. The law will pursue, unless they all decided on a spot The Kid being dead was more important than some lone gunman they couldn't make out. |
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Post by MissyS on Nov 5, 2023 4:24:48 GMT -5
I don’t know if this was discussed before?, but I didn’t see it posted. There’s a YouTube video, Interview of Jimmie Thomas, by Brett Hall, Jimmie Thomas is the 2nd Great Grandson of Odila Maxwell, the sister of Paulita Maxwell. Jimmie Thomas talks about the story his family told and passed down about the shooting that night. It’s very interesting. Watching this now. I'm not quite a fan of Hall's because of the association with Tunstill, but I think there are nuggets of truth in all of the interviews previously uploaded. He says in the 50s that his parents would go to Fort Sumner and his relatives were charging 50 cents a head to anyone who wanted to walk into the room where Billy The Kid was alleged shot. According to him, from family lore, Garrett kept himself hidden underneath a bench/bed with a double barrel shotgun and shot whoever walked into the room getting beef. That person apparently was not Billy The Kid. The burial of that person, etc was all done rapidly. He says that as The Kid made his escape, a short gun battle ensued, and The Kid was wounded. He managed to get away. The name (supposedly) of the man killed was Billy Bowdrie. It's interesting, as it's the only story that somewhat matches Roberts story. There are key fundamental differences between the story and Brushy's account. Although it might be taken with a grain of salt, as the man admits he's been to Hico and believes Brushy was The Kid. The only question I have is that IF Garrett knew that The Kid wasn't dead, and killed the wrong man, why didn't he pursue The Kid afterwards? Unless the townspeople somehow convinced Garrett that indeed he killed The Kid when he really didn't. But what doesn't make sense, if there was indeed a shootout down the street, why didn't Poe and company pursue the man they fired at? Why wouldn't you pursue someone who was shooting at you? It doesn't make much sense. The law will pursue, unless they all decided on a spot The Kid being dead was more important than some lone gunman they couldn't make out. Thanks for posting the link, I forgot to do that. The name Billy Bowdrie, or Bowdre I don’t know the spelling of the name? but I wonder if he could have been related to Charlie Bowdre? It was dark according to Garrett it was around midnight. He may not have pursued the Kid because he may have figured he wouldn’t go far wounded and decided to pursue him in the morning when it was light? It makes me wonder if Pat Garrett figured out he didn’t kill the Kid and it was somebody else, then it could explain why him and his two deputies holed up in a room all night as one account stated. Maybe it was because they were worried about revenge from the Kid instead of the townspeople? Didn’t Brushy have a scar on his hip? |
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Post by cassandra jane on Nov 5, 2023 8:37:03 GMT -5
I don’t know if this was discussed before?, but I didn’t see it posted. There’s a YouTube video, Interview of Jimmie Thomas, by Brett Hall, Jimmie Thomas is the 2nd Great Grandson of Odila Maxwell, the sister of Paulita Maxwell. Jimmie Thomas talks about the story his family told and passed down about the shooting that night. It’s very interesting. The only question I have is that IF Garrett knew that The Kid wasn't dead, and killed the wrong man, why didn't he pursue The Kid afterwards? Unless the townspeople somehow convinced Garrett that indeed he killed The Kid when he really didn't. But what doesn't make sense, if there was indeed a shootout down the street, why didn't Poe and company pursue the man they fired at? Why wouldn't you pursue someone who was shooting at you? It doesn't make much sense. The law will pursue, unless they all decided on a spot The Kid being dead was more important than some lone gunman they couldn't make out. Or Garrett just gave up because he kept killing the wrong people over and over in his pursuit of Billie, knew it was likely to keep happening, and couldn’t bear any other wrongful deaths on his shoulders? |
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Post by RonBk on Nov 5, 2023 12:16:40 GMT -5
There was a brief exchange of gunfire but neither of the parties wished for the fight to continue. Garrett and his deputies probably feared Billy the kid who they knew was a skilled gunfighter who had killed several lawmen already. Garrett also had to take into account the risk of more people getting involved in the fight since he knew many of the locals was friends of Btk. Furthermore Garrett had just killed an innocent man and the easy way out of that was to claim the dead man was Billy. Perhaps a deal was made or Garrett just sent word to Billy he now had the chance to get away for good and he accepted.
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Post by WhisperingBillyBarlow on Nov 5, 2023 17:44:30 GMT -5
There was a brief exchange of gunfire but neither of the parties wished for the fight to continue. Garrett and his deputies probably feared Billy the kid who they knew was a skilled gunfighter who had killed several lawmen already. Garrett also had to take into account the risk of more people getting involved in the fight since he knew many of the locals was friends of Btk. Furthermore Garrett had just killed an innocent man and the easy way out of that was to claim the dead man was Billy. Perhaps a deal was made or Garrett just sent word to Billy he now had the chance to get away for good and he accepted. Can you really afford to make a deal with a man known to not keep his word, and couldn't keep his mouth shut or stay hidden? The Kid doesn't have the profile to just up and disappear forever. Besides if that did occur, why didn't Brushy Bill Roberts himself mention a deal? All he said was that Deluvina pretended that Barlow was Billy The Kid, and Garrett accepted it. That may or may not have happened, and still doesnt answer why they did not pursue some lone gunman who fired at them from out of the shadows down the street. If that even happened at all. From my perspective, if Garrett knew The Kid was alive he would have pursued him after the fact, even if he passed off Barlow as The Kid. After all, he couldnt risk The Kid just popping up and exposing Garrett as a liar. My question is, how long did it take Garrett to get back to try to collect the reward, etc? A few days? A week? A month? If it took time, a considerable length, I wonder if Garrett didnt pursue The Kid and killed him elsewhere. Perhaps at that sheep camp not far from Fort Sumner. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all |
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