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Post by MissyS on Oct 14, 2020 20:18:43 GMT -5
I don’t know if this has been discussed before? I stumbled upon this old auction notice, sorry it’s an old auction but I just found it mentioning Billy’s gun that sold awhile back for $64,350 and according to the auction listing it was found in a tree in Fort Sumner by Jesus Silva after being told by Billy where it was. Brushy mentioned that he left a gun in a tree also, I don’t recall if he said where the location of that tree was?, but I believe Brushy did mention that he stopped at the home of Jesus Silva after a dance that night. www.bonhams.com/auctions/16016/lot/2120/ |
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Oct 14, 2020 21:11:40 GMT -5
I don’t know if this has been discussed before? I stumbled upon this old auction notice, sorry it’s an old auction but I just found it mentioning Billy’s gun that sold awhile back for $64,350 and according to the auction listing it was found in a tree in Fort Sumner by Jesus Silva after being told by Billy where it was. Brushy mentioned that he left a gun in a tree also, I don’t recall if he said where the location of that tree was?, but I believe Brushy did mention that he stopped at the home of Jesus Silva after a dance that night. www.bonhams.com/auctions/16016/lot/2120/Interesting.
Auction details: "There he hid the gun in a tree and later told his friend Jesus Silva where it was. After Bonney was killed by Pat Garrett, Silva was called in to identify the body. He also built the coffin used to bury the outlaw and dug his grave."
I guess Brushy arose from the grave on the third day.
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Post by kerry on Oct 16, 2020 10:57:28 GMT -5
The gun in the tree was during the escape from Lincoln jail? No pistol of BTK's has ever been authenticated...I think the gun left in the tree was Bell's .45 with which BTK accidentally shot Bell as Brushy said.Two .44's and gun belts were taken from the jail armory and the .45 with only 4 rounds -was not needed...whatever happened to the pistol auctioned off as Billy's by Garrett to the County Clerk ? Was it the .41 double action recovered from Maxwell's bedroom?
Brushy said he was armed with two pistols when he approached the Maxwell porch-both
.44...like Garrett's pistol that night -which does exist and had been taken from Wilson after his capture at Stinking Springs.
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Post by leeb on Oct 16, 2020 12:40:10 GMT -5
The gun in the tree was during the escape from Lincoln jail? No pistol of BTK's has ever been authenticated...I think the gun left in the tree was Bell's .45 with which BTK accidentally shot Bell as Brushy said.Two .44's and gun belts were taken from the jail armory and the .45 with only 4 rounds -was not needed...whatever happened to the pistol auctioned off as Billy's by Garrett to the County Clerk ? Was it the .41 double action recovered from Maxwell's bedroom? Brushy said he was armed with two pistols when he approached the Maxwell porch-both .44...like Garrett's pistol that night -which does exist and had been taken from Wilson after his capture at Stinking Springs. I didn't think old brushy approached the porch i thought that was Mr Barlow, old brushy was down the road getting ready for his imaginary gunfight! Billy Burt got billy's pistol. |
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Post by kerry on Oct 16, 2020 14:59:55 GMT -5
As McKinley said -he shot BTK....from his unseen position outside the fence using a rifle.Brushy was sufficiently wounded that he had to retire immediately -the Lawmen were sufficiently afraid that they retreated into the Maxwell house for their defence -it soon became clear to key figures that BTK was safe and a clean up job was necessary.
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Post by leeb on Oct 17, 2020 14:03:54 GMT -5
Perhaps we should all re-write facts and history, I'd love to know where you get information from???
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Post by kerry on Oct 17, 2020 20:34:44 GMT -5
McKinley did say later in life that he shot BTK -obviously not the same man Garrett shot....Mckinley's record as a genuine gunfighter is far more authentic the Pat's.Brushy said he went to investigate the gun shots carrying two pistols and that he received two head wounds without warning and had to escape by crashing through a barrier( such as a picket fence) whilst firing to cover his forced withdrawal. As for the cover up -
so much has been said about all the descrepancies in Garrett's story and behaviour that nothing more needs to be said -except perhaps Justice today still wears a blindfold....
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Post by leeb on Oct 18, 2020 11:34:28 GMT -5
McKinley did say later in life that he shot BTK -obviously not the same man Garrett shot....Mckinley's record as a genuine gunfighter is far more authentic the Pat's.Brushy said he went to investigate the gun shots carrying two pistols and that he received two head wounds without warning and had to escape by crashing through a barrier( such as a picket fence) whilst firing to cover his forced withdrawal. As for the cover up - so much has been said about all the descrepancies in Garrett's story and behaviour that nothing more needs to be said -except perhaps Justice today still wears a blindfold.... Mckinleys story changed every time he told it. A genuine narrator of fantasy. As for brushy said well he was another supreme story teller. No evidence to back your claims regarding your sources because as I believe you haven't got any. |
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 18, 2020 22:23:53 GMT -5
You might ought to look at this thread from years ago regarding our member "ruidosoman" and his story of finding the gun in the tree. At least he suspected he had found the gun Billy left in a tree. brushybill.proboards.com/post/2381/thread |
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Post by leeb on Oct 19, 2020 11:42:11 GMT -5
There's a good truewest article from Nov 2012 about Mr Momaday's 'Billy' pistol which comes with a letter of provenance signed by no other than W H Bonney 11. It's worth a read.
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 19, 2020 16:38:16 GMT -5
Thanks leeb. That is an interesting article. But I have my doubts that gun really belonged to Billy. Even if we knew it was definitely his, it doesn't fit the story of the gun hidden in the tree.
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Post by kerry on Oct 19, 2020 16:46:44 GMT -5
Devine Providence - according to Poe -saved both he and Pat Garrett from a man who had the drop on them but hesitated...
Not so devine provenance - assisted Pat with his version of events surrounding his alledged killing of BTK.
The pistol recovered from the floor of Pete Maxwell's bedroom was quite a sensation befitting BTK -yet impractical for any serious shootist.Each of the Lawmen specifically mentioned the self-cocking revolver as did Siringo when he witnessed it auctioned off to Burt -the County Clerk.
Kip Mckinley did have a colourful life not unlike that claimed by Brushy...he was well known in his own time and Garrett went out of his way to ensure Kip was on hand in case things went wrong at Fort Sumner...McKinley had only weeks earlier been involved in a shoot out every bit as dangerous and probably more authentic than Wyatt Earp's killing of Curly Bill...Yet Hollywood history makes legends of men who were either relatively unknown-or were unpopular and even despised in their own time.
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Post by kerry on Oct 19, 2020 18:17:24 GMT -5
Ruidosoman's informed guess - was that the almost totally entombed pistol in the tree was .45 caliber. Bell's pistol was also said to be of this caliber...if Bell retained his revolver - why didn't he fight back once he reached the stairwell?
Brushy's story about the richochet is just as plausible as Garrett's rebound from his second shot hitting the headboard of Maxwell's bed...with the unfortunate Maxwell in it.
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Post by kerry on Oct 19, 2020 18:18:36 GMT -5
Ruidosoman's informed guess - was that the almost totally entombed pistol in the tree was .45 caliber. Bell's pistol was also said to be of this caliber...if Bell retained his revolver - why didn't he fight back once he reached the stairwell?
Brushy's story about the richochet is just as plausible as Garrett's rebound from his second shot hitting the headboard of Maxwell's bed...with the unfortunate Maxwell in it.
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Post by BrushyLives on Aug 27, 2023 11:30:04 GMT -5
The gun in the tree was during the escape from Lincoln jail? No pistol of BTK's has ever been authenticated...I think the gun left in the tree was Bell's .45 with which BTK accidentally shot Bell as Brushy said.Two .44's and gun belts were taken from the jail armory and the .45 with only 4 rounds -was not needed...whatever happened to the pistol auctioned off as Billy's by Garrett to the County Clerk ? Was it the .41 double action recovered from Maxwell's bedroom? Brushy said he was armed with two pistols when he approached the Maxwell porch-both .44...like Garrett's pistol that night -which does exist and had been taken from Wilson after his capture at Stinking Springs. Wrong thinking. Bells gun was with him. The gun in the tree is a .44 not .45. The .44 was part of the guns he took from the armory, the one he kept has never surfaced to this very day. which leads me to asking, Why? and why is The Kid supposedly killed while carrying a .41? Which leads to this. Garrett reports the stolen guns serial numbers, the tree gun has worth, so would the other if ever recovered, yet remains forever lost? hmm |
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