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Post by searcher64 on Nov 21, 2011 5:06:48 GMT -5
about the hands, here's a collage of details of all the best brushy/btk associated pics, as far as a view of the hands goes. when i saw the freakishly serpentine fingers on the top center photo, i started comparing. i was astounded to find this many pics with this attribute. in the photos in which the fingers appear shorter, if you zoom in, they are often tucked in and you can see that they are longer, almost as if triple-jointed. Attachments:
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Post by searcher64 on Nov 22, 2011 21:17:53 GMT -5
sorry to be drowning you guys in posts, but there's some amazing correlations to be shown. first i took the pics that really look to me like btk, then made sure the subject's fingers were sufficiently long to be him. then i matched the angles best i could. this was no small task, the 'longneck' photo had to be dialed back 9degrees. the interdimensional correlation of the eyes, nose and mouth, plus the head shape, (besides explainable jaw/chin variations) plus BASIC ear shape (not position or size, which are 'factored down' in this test) are ALL essentially perfectly matching. the bright portion of the face, bottom left panel, is where the image has deteriorated somehow, into the area where the left jawline should be... otherwise, the 4 photos MATCH PERFECTLY.Attachments:
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Post by Wayne Land on Nov 23, 2011 0:01:43 GMT -5
Wow, that's a really nice idea to compare four different photos at once and the results are quite convincing. I've enjoyed all your posts and I hope you'll keep contributing. Thanks! BTW, make sure you watch Brian Meltzer's Decoded tomorrow night. They're investigating the theory that BTK wasn't killed by Pat Garrett. That's on the History Channel, I think at 10 p.m. eastern time. But check your listings.
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Post by searcher64 on Nov 23, 2011 0:51:43 GMT -5
thanks for the tip about decoded, and on the brushy ebook. it is truly a must read. as for the comparison, i brought in the tintype, and the brushy age 14 and 29 pics, and they all do the same thing. basically got a comparison machine going. i can sit and click and add/subtract superimposes and its amazing, clothing, collarline, hats and hair constantly changing, the eyes/nose/mouth staying exactly the same.
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Post by searcher64 on Nov 23, 2011 0:58:50 GMT -5
while the ears change size and vertical position in the morphs, as is normal, they never move farther apart or together, nor do they shift left or right together, telling me the head size/shape is the same. and basic ear shape and angle also seem a constant.
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Post by Wayne Land on Nov 23, 2011 3:46:50 GMT -5
I've been comparing photos of Brushy with the iconic tintype for many years. As my software and expertise in using it has improved, I'm continually trying new approaches, looking for some discrepancy that would convince me Brushy was not the real BTK. After about 13 years of it, I am more convinced than ever that he was indeed telling the truth. And your submissions have given a fresh new look at it that continues to convince me of that truth. Thank you so much for sharing.
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Post by searcher64 on Dec 9, 2011 1:01:14 GMT -5
it is apparent that billy had a second career, moonlighting as a rustler and outlaw when not posing for photos. at this time, no less that twelve photos appear to match, not counting the pics of roberts at ~90. in my test, the donahue photo matches, when eyebrow height and eye 'expression roundness' are nominalized as factors. also the 'el gabacho' photo matches except for eyebrow height, much the same way. i was skeptical of the ellison pic, but it turns out the subjects said to be billy the kid and doc holliday match nicely.
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Post by William H Bonney my hero on Dec 9, 2011 10:19:21 GMT -5
William H Bonney my hero saldy it is very unlikely that That a dna testing will be done on Brushy bill Roberts or The grave which is said to be that Billy the Kid just like waht Wayne land through. this is what he said I hope what happens next is as follows: (1) authorities and historians exhume the body buried by Pat Garrett, performing facial recognition/ reconstruction on whatever skull remains. (2) IF it turns out not to be a match for the iconic tintype of Billy the Kid, history needs to be rewritten. (3) Ollie P. Roberts needs to have his remains exhumed and studied by experts and historians. WHEN (not IF) he is found to be "Billy the Kid", he will take his correct and rightful place in history. This will undoubtedly upset the Garrett family and descendents, who proudly adhere to the false legend. But ultimately, I believe a crime was committed, and someone may have been wrongfully slain in place of "Billy the Kid". I am interested in the truth. sorry but as we know, we may never know the real truth, as you all know, In 2003 Lincoln County Sheriff Tom Sullivan, Capitan, New Mexico Mayor Steve Sederwall, and De Baca County, New Mexico Sheriff Gary Graves began a campaign to exhume the remains of Billy the Kid and his mother, Catherine Antrim, to prove it was in fact Billy the Kid buried in Fort Sumner through DNA. The initiative hit snags from the beginning. First, there is no confirmation as to where the remains are located. Second were the legalities, with both pro-Brushy Bill Roberts and anti-Brushy Bill Roberts experts protesting the exhumation. The exhumation of both sets of remains was blocked in court in September, 2004. Problems with DNA testing(Im also gonnna be doing Brushy(Billy real story on this) 1. The Fort Sumner Cemetery where Billy Barlow(the man who was actually killed by Garret) was buried was washed out by the Great Pecos River Flood in 1904. The damage was so great that exposed remains had to be reburied with most being unidentified. Barlow's headstone had been washed away and his grave remained unmarked for 28 years. Although a headstone was erected in 1932 it is unknown where the original grave is. 2. The Silver City cemetery where Catherine Antrim(Billy aunt) was buried was sold in 1882 with the new owner required to relocate the graves outside the city limits. There is no record to indicate whether the bodies were moved or just the headstones. It is possible that other people had been buried in the same grave. It is possible that she had been originally buried in an unmarked grave with the headstone placed by guesswork later. 3.Considering the length of time since burial it is likely any remains have decomposed completely and there is a negligible chance of positively identifying remains if any are found. 4.as we all know from the real history, Catherine Antrim was not Billy mother but an aunt related by marriage so a DNA test would be meaningless in any scenario other than Catherine and Billy's remains both being identified, tested and shown to be mother and son. so as much as we want to happen, it very unlikely...
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Post by searcher64 on Dec 9, 2011 13:28:07 GMT -5
yes, you are correct. there's not much we can do about the dna, and yes, in roberts' version of history catherine's dna wouldnt be of help anyway. you're right, unfortunately there isn't much possibility for any DNA solutions. what we still CAN do is exhume BRUSHY, they can tell for sure whether he was 71 or 91 when he died and that will say a lot about brusy's credibility.... plus, he's in texas. texas courts have already determined that brushy's case is 'strong and substantial' and new mexico and the garrett's would have little or no sway in the matter.
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Post by JoSele Swopes on Sept 7, 2021 15:46:49 GMT -5
They are not the same person nice try, the hands are telling. So is the chin, one chin is longer. Also ears are bigger on the other. The front of the mouth has a larger gap where the teeth are protruding Nice Try Though.
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Post by JoSele Swopes on Sept 7, 2021 15:49:48 GMT -5
They are not the same person nice try, the hands are telling. So is the chin, one chin is longer. Also ears are bigger on the other. The front of the mouth has a larger gap where the teeth are protruding Nice Try Though. I would give you 2 stars
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Post by Wayne Land on Sept 8, 2021 17:58:08 GMT -5
Chin longer? That's because in the tintype he has teeth and in the older photos of Brushy, he has no teeth. Mouth has large gap? I'm not sure what you mean by a gap. In the tintype his mouth is opened slightly, in Brushy's photos his mouth is closed. I think it's normal for a person to open and close their mouth. The protruding teeth were removed by a dentist in Gladwater, TX. Ears are bigger? That's simply not true. I've measured them very carefully. One of the ears in the tintype is barely even visible though due to distortion of the photo.
I give you 1 star for effort.
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