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Post by truth on Mar 8, 2022 17:47:56 GMT -5
Hi Wayne. The August 4th 1941 Time life Article. And the Swarm Afadavid. With Lady speaking with Brushy. Has helped me tramendously. I also have the Shackle the Kid had on after my great great Aunt left a pistol in the Out house. Garret double-crossed the Girl at sting springs. And layer she helped convince Garrett to fake the Kids Death..
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Post by truth on Mar 8, 2022 18:06:51 GMT -5
When I started this message board there were three other boards I'd been on that featured discussions about Billy The Kid. One of those was supportive of Brushy Bill's story but did not go so far as to endorse it as being truthful. The other two made it very clear not only that they didn't believe Brushy but went out of their way to discourage any discussion of him. One of those actually banned me from participation because I didn't accept their anti Brushy rhetoric. So, finally, I decided to start my own message board that would proudly claim Brushy as being the real Billy The Kid and find out once and for all if there were others out there who thought like me and wanted to share their ideas. The result? These years later we have the only truly active discussion board about Billy The Kid, Brushy or no Brushy. A couple of the other boards have been shut down and the ones that are still running have very minimal participation with posts occurring at the rate of one or two per month at the most. What does it mean? While we have not yet uncovered the "smoking gun" that proves Brushy's claim, we have stirred enough interest that we have, in a certain context, "won" the debate. We've won on the question of whether Brushy's story is worth listening to and investigating, and I want to thank our membership. As more and more people sign up, we will soon top 300 members. We have well over 100 guests visiting each day and as many as 8 or 10 members participating each day. Thank you all so very much for proving my efforts worthwhile. Keep on visiting and posting and one day, maybe we'll find that smoking gun. If it proves Brushy was a fraud, I'll say so and apologize for helping to lead so many down the wrong path. If it proves he was who he said he was, and this board helps get us there, then it will be one of the crowning achievements of my life. Hello Wane I'm sorry I'm having a hard time getting around your site. I've sent responce to the wrong Members.I hope you get this one. When Garrett and his possey were at stinking springs they intersected my grt grt ants buggy. Garrett promised her the Kid would not die. And he just wanted to talk to the Kid about the Governor's pardon. He liked. But the shoot out was over. My Aunt left a pistol in the out house. She told the Kid at the old store??? I guess that's where he was held. The kid escaped with the leg shackle on one leg.I have said Shackle.After Escape the Kid met my Aunt. I'd send you a photo,but can't figure out how on here. My uncle swor her and The Kid had a child. I was very young when my uncle told me the stories. He spent 50 plus yrs. In research And I'm getting close to 70 yrs old. But If it walks like a duck. Once published it will change history. I believe that Brushes and the kid are one and the same. John
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Post by truth on May 20, 2022 15:23:27 GMT -5
Hello Wane. Its John Valdez A lot has happened since we last spoke. I have finished my Book and I am more than happy to discuss any aspects of the proof I have on the facts I'm ready to release to the public.I was Offered a great deal of $ to give up the rights or should I say the creative aspects of my families story. Although the Lincoln county wars was a part of said history,and the history of the Iron sides. (Regulators) the kid liked Iron sides better. The lady that gave the swarm afadavid confirmed my Families involvement with the Kid.As another aspect of my book My Grt Grt Gpas mysterious death and disappearing was related to a broken promise by Jose Miguel Ended his life. Within the next few years, Love letters and photographs will become available. The Time life article also gives proof to my Families involvement with the kid is todate is the most compelling proof that BrushyBill and The Kid are one and the same. I'm having problems self publishing as the powers that be want creative control and that's the one thing I will never give up. I thank you and will soon want to meet you. I've been told that there a lot of powers that be,that Wouls do any thing to keep me from telling my Families version of what the truth is in the story,And how much it will shed a spot light on just how much history we are taught and lead to believe is in fact a lie. John Hello John Valdez: Does your research or forthcoming book include any of the following? It appears there was a male son conceived about September 1879, and born on 14 June 1880. Name: Angela Sedillo Sex: Female Husband: Antonio Trujillo Son: Jose Trujillo Other information in the record of Jose Trujillo from New Mexico Births and Christenings, 1726-1918 Name: Jose Trujillo Event Type: Christening Event Date: 1 Aug 1880 Event Place: Carrizozo, Lincoln, New Mexico, United States Event Place (Original): Santa Rita, Carrizozo, Lincoln, New Mexico, United States Gender: Male Birth Date: 14 Jun 1880 Father's Name: Antonio Trujillo Mother's Name: Angela Sedillo Greetings.. It is believed in my families history,,, there is some interesting DNA that will change some history . John
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Post by John V on Aug 17, 2022 13:57:48 GMT -5
Hello Wane. Its John Valdez A lot has happened since we last spoke. I have finished my Book and I am more than happy to discuss any aspects of the proof I have on the facts I'm ready to release to the public.I was Offered a great deal of $ to give up the rights or should I say the creative aspects of my families story. Although the Lincoln county wars was a part of said history,and the history of the Iron sides. (Regulators) the kid liked Iron sides better. The lady that gave the swarm afadavid confirmed my Families involvement with the Kid.As another aspect of my book My Grt Grt Gpas mysterious death and disappearing was related to a broken promise by Jose Miguel Ended his life. Within the next few years, Love letters and photographs will become available. The Time life article also gives proof to my Families involvement with the kid is todate is the most compelling proof that BrushyBill and The Kid are one and the same. I'm having problems self publishing as the powers that be want creative control and that's the one thing I will never give up. I thank you and will soon want to meet you. I've been told that there a lot of powers that be,that Wouls do any thing to keep me from telling my Families version of what the truth is in the story,And how much it will shed a spot light on just how much history we are taught and lead to believe is in fact a lie. John Hello John Valdez: Does your research or forthcoming book include any of the following? It appears there was a male son conceived about September 1879, and born on 14 June 1880. Name: Angela Sedillo Sex: Female Husband: Antonio Trujillo Son: Jose Trujillo Other information in the record of Jose Trujillo from New Mexico Births and Christenings, 1726-1918 Name: Jose Trujillo Event Type: Christening Event Date: 1 Aug 1880 Event Place: Carrizozo, Lincoln, New Mexico, United States Event Place (Original): Santa Rita, Carrizozo, Lincoln, New Mexico, United States Gender: Male Birth Date: 14 Jun 1880 Father's Name: Antonio Trujillo Mother's Name: Angela Sedillo Yes I was not going to discuss the fact Angela was with child. He He. And you guessed it... At this time I'll hold off saying what you figured out. The said father in name married Angela.. Angeleta to hide father's identity..
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Post by garyabc on Apr 10, 2023 20:01:19 GMT -5
Thanks again for this site. To those who hate Brushy while claiming to love the Kid i ask how can you. It is possible Brushy was the Kid. If not then he is likely an unknown half sibling. At worst he is a fraud whose crime is loving Billy so much he risked a New Mexico prison cell to gain a pardon for his dead pard. That makes him a better posse member than any of us.
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 11, 2023 10:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by thumbuster on Nov 27, 2023 21:58:24 GMT -5
Thain, I know you are dedicated to finding conclusive proof that Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid, and I admire your persistence. “Draft card- He was assuming his cousin's identity.” That is the simple explanation. It does not fit the facts presented by Brushy. He said he had a cousin, Ollie Roberts, born about 1867, who was killed in the Indian Territory. If he assumed Ollie’s identity, he would have said he was born about 1867 rather than 1879. Memory loss is not an excuse for this discrepancy, for this was information recorded my Morrison. If he was assuming the identity of Oliver Pleasant Roberts, son of Henry Oliver Roberts and Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson (Brushy Bill said his step-mother was Elizabeth Ferguson), there is no satisfactory explanation for the abrupt disappearance of Oliver P. Roberts from Van Zandt County. “Brushy also said he was at the World's Fair in 1894 before someone corrected him and said it was 1904 and he had no reason to lie about that.” I may have overlooked Brushy’s statement that he was at the World’s Fair in 1894, or any correction thereof. The affidavit of Robert E. Lee does state that Brushy Bill rode in Buffalo Bill’s Wild West Show in Chicago in 1893. The World’s Columbian Exposition was a world’s fair held in Chicago in 1893 to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus’ arrival in the New World in 1492.
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Post by thumbuster on Nov 27, 2023 22:04:46 GMT -5
Darn if I'm not getting really tired of pointing this out but did Brushy say he was in Carlton, TX on "March 1, 1873" or did he just say 1873? Last time I checked there were 365 days in the year 1873 and 364 of them were not March 1st. Had a nice chat, via the computer, with Professor Hutton a few years ago. We discussed Brushy Billy and the research that Paul and his staff did on whether or not BB was Billy. The good professor told me that he found Brushy's birth certificate and that when he was born Billy was three years old. I don't know when Proff Hutton found this documentation, but I believe him. I strongly believe that Paul Hutton is an honest man and a good researcher. Now, if this is true, then it hammers a nail in the possibility that Brushy is the Kid. If Hutton is speaking the truth then Brushy is indeed not William Henry McCarty. I can live with that.
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Post by thumbuster on Nov 27, 2023 22:20:09 GMT -5
I read somewhere that when Brushy realized that there is no statute of limitations on the crime of murder that he realized that saying he was the Kid put his life in jeopardy. Is that story true? There is no question that the Kid killed deputies Olinger and Bell. And if it turned out that Brushy was indeed Billy the Kid then he was putting himself at risk of being arrested and tried for his murderous deeds. I read that when Brushy figured this out that he stopped claiming to be the Kid. Sounds logical to me.
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Post by thumbuster on Dec 2, 2023 23:19:03 GMT -5
I am always been amazed that so many folks believe that Brushy was the Kid! I have met many people who believe that. Had a wonderful two day stay with W.C. Jameson about a decade ago and he regaled me why he is such an ardent believer in Brushy being the Kid. We had a very long, friendly discussion. I have him a dozen or so copies of my collection of Sallie Chisum photographs. So I am well aware of all of you Brushy believers out there. I am not going to suggest that anyone believe any way other than they do. But to me, Brushy doesn't look anything like the kid. Then there is the issue about his birthday. But if you dig Brushy, then have at it!
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Post by chivato88 on Dec 3, 2023 15:21:47 GMT -5
I am always been amazed that so many folks believe that Brushy was the Kid! I have met many people who believe that. Had a wonderful two day stay with W.C. Jameson about a decade ago and he regaled me why he is such an ardent believer in Brushy being the Kid. We had a very long, friendly discussion. I have him a dozen or so copies of my collection of Sallie Chisum photographs. So I am well aware of all of you Brushy believers out there. I am not going to suggest that anyone believe any way other than they do. But to me, Brushy doesn't look anything like the kid. Then there is the issue about his birthday. But if you dig Brushy, then have at it! There's an issue with the Kid's birthday as well. Nov 23 1859 is made up, fictional. Its actually Ash Upson's birthday. I think the Kid was born in May 1861, this date comes from Paco Anaya and Frank Coe who also said that when Sherif Brady died on april 1st 1878 the Kid was about 17 years old.
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Post by thumbuster on Dec 3, 2023 22:30:02 GMT -5
Frank Coe knew the Kid pretty well. He liked the boy and so did his cousin George. The trio went camping and hunting together. Billy loved to hunt and fish. He also went fishing with Willi Chisum, Sallie's younger brother. Billy loved nothing better than to sit around the campfire at night sing and tell stories. My family loved doing that too; McCarty's you see... Billy's birthday may have come up in the men's many conversations, so Frank probably knew how old Billy was.
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Post by thumbuster on Dec 3, 2023 22:34:40 GMT -5
BTW: I placed 8 or 10 of my pictures on the Anglefire/Sallie Chisum site about 12 years ago. I just looked that site up and the sight and the pictures are still there, so you can look them up too! There you will see outstanding pics of Frank and George Coe, Sheriff Brady, Sallie Chisum and of course the Kid....others too. Look them up and we can chat about them.
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Post by thumbuster on Dec 3, 2023 22:38:48 GMT -5
I am always been amazed that so many folks believe that Brushy was the Kid! I have met many people who believe that. Had a wonderful two day stay with W.C. Jameson about a decade ago and he regaled me why he is such an ardent believer in Brushy being the Kid. We had a very long, friendly discussion. I have him a dozen or so copies of my collection of Sallie Chisum photographs. So I am well aware of all of you Brushy believers out there. I am not going to suggest that anyone believe any way other than they do. But to me, Brushy doesn't look anything like the kid. Then there is the issue about his birthday. But if you dig Brushy, then have at it! There's an issue with the Kid's birthday as well. Nov 23 1859 is made up, fictional. Its actually Ash Upson's birthday. I think the Kid was born in May 1861, this date comes from Paco Anaya and Frank Coe who also said that when Sherif Brady died on april 1st 1878 the Kid was about 17 years old. As the story goes Ash Upton stayed in the McCarty boarding house in Silver City where he met Catherine and her boys. Catherine also ran a laundry and she advertised in the local newspaper. She was a go getter. Too bad she was sick.
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Post by djmatt on Dec 10, 2023 5:34:51 GMT -5
When I started this message board there were three other boards I'd been on that featured discussions about Billy The Kid. One of those was supportive of Brushy Bill's story but did not go so far as to endorse it as being truthful. The other two made it very clear not only that they didn't believe Brushy but went out of their way to discourage any discussion of him. One of those actually banned me from participation because I didn't accept their anti Brushy rhetoric. So, finally, I decided to start my own message board that would proudly claim Brushy as being the real Billy The Kid and find out once and for all if there were others out there who thought like me and wanted to share their ideas. The result? These years later we have the only truly active discussion board about Billy The Kid, Brushy or no Brushy. A couple of the other boards have been shut down and the ones that are still running have very minimal participation with posts occurring at the rate of one or two per month at the most. What does it mean? While we have not yet uncovered the "smoking gun" that proves Brushy's claim, we have stirred enough interest that we have, in a certain context, "won" the debate. We've won on the question of whether Brushy's story is worth listening to and investigating, and I want to thank our membership. As more and more people sign up, we will soon top 300 members. We have well over 100 guests visiting each day and as many as 8 or 10 members participating each day. Thank you all so very much for proving my efforts worthwhile. Keep on visiting and posting and one day, maybe we'll find that smoking gun. If it proves Brushy was a fraud, I'll say so and apologize for helping to lead so many down the wrong path. If it proves he was who he said he was, and this board helps get us there, then it will be one of the crowning achievements of my life. Hello Wayne, I have only recently discovered your message board and I must say I have enjoyed several hours of reading through all the topics and posts. I first heard about Brushy from Young guns back in the 90s. I've looked into the story off and on since then and have read different books and such. I am surprised at the comments that the naysayers keep making that do not prove anything. Some things that stand out to me... 1. Brushy knew intricate details that suggest he was present at these events. 2. All the scars. 3. Why would someone named Oliver get a nickname of Bill? 4. Why would Brushy (if he was just seeking publicity) make up different parents? Why not just stick to the historical narrative? 5. Brushy was pulled out of hiding, he didnt just pop up on his own. 6. Many details he related that were thought to be incorrect have since been proven accurate. Again, if he was just regurgitating things he had read why change details? 7. No real evidence exists that Garrett shot him. Only Garretts say so really. 8. When Brushy signed Billie and not Billy. 9. As young as he was when Catherine took him away, he may not be sure where he was actually born. Just a thought here - I have seen you comment about the shot through the jaw not leaving a horrific scar. I can imagine if the bullet passed cleanly through the cheek and was stopped by the teeth or its exit could have been his open mouth at the time. It's not hard to assume there wouldn't have been a huge scar, just a small hole where it entered. Very possible. Anyway, just a few thoughts and keep up the research!
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