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Post by Wayne Land on Jan 16, 2014 18:04:49 GMT -5
Have any of you accomplished genealogy researchers ever looked for Oliver Pleasant Roberts' mother in the census records. Today, on a whim, I decided to see if that would reveal anything. Ancestry.com suggests her parents were John B. Cheshir and Nancy Womack (maiden name) and that she was born in 1856. I was surprised to find that John and Nancy do not list her in their household in either the 1860 or 1870 censuses. They do show a daughter 4 years old in 1860 but her name is "S C Cheshir". So I began searching other possible parentage for Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson and so far I haven't found anything.
Can anyone tell me where to find her on the censuses. I want to know if she was living at home with her parents in 1868 and what her actual birth name was. Why the name "Ferguson"? I'm looking to see if there is any indication she might have had a child born out of wedlock when she was just 12 years old. Was she actually born Sallie C. Cheshir and to hide her shame, changed her name or something? I know it's grabbing for straws but sometimes that works. I'll keep looking and post here if I find an answer. Maybe some of you know?
Thanks!
Wayne
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Post by nmjames on Jan 16, 2014 19:49:51 GMT -5
Wayne,
I have or I should say the lady that was helping me understand all of it after I found Mary and all the rest did. I forget what she told me so I will send her a e-mail and get back with you. I just did the research and found what I posted and she check my findings to see if I was correct and found much more. I will let you know.
By the way, I'm not going to tell you the ladies name but she is the great granddaughter of one of the people Brushy people love to use to try and prove Brushy was Billy the Kid.
nmjames
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Post by nmjames on Jan 16, 2014 22:59:15 GMT -5
Wayne,
I think I have it correct. I went back through my files and found that Sara Elizabeth Ferguson was born in 1856 in Arkansas. Her father was John W Ferguson b. 1830 d. 1870. Her Mother was Martha Bolinger b. 1837 d. 1913. You can find them on the 1870 census but I don't find a 1860 census. However John W. Ferguson purchased 120 Acres of land in Sebastian Arkansas on May 1, 1860. On the 1870 Census there is a Frances Dunn 22 living in the Ferguson house. I don't want to go into all of it because I am not certain I understand all of it, but there were some double cousins in all of the Dunn's and Bolinger,s. The lady helping me has been in genealogy for 40 years and she understands all of it. I won't see her until next week and I will try to get her to tell me again.
I hope this helps.
nmjames
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Post by Wayne Land on Jan 17, 2014 0:15:07 GMT -5
Assuming that is correct, then there are several Ancestry.com members who have her mixed up with a completely different person. That's entirely possible of course. Thanks for the help.
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Post by nmjames on Jan 18, 2014 23:13:05 GMT -5
Wayne,
I heard back from my friend and I also have been looking at John B. Cheshir and Nancy Womack. I found the same thing she told me, so here is what I found.
On the 1860 Census,they have John listed as I B Cheshier (Below it: John Baptist Chesshir). His wife is listed as N.I. Cheshier and down at the bottom is S.C. Cheshier age 4. They are living in Brewer, Pike, Arkansas.
On the 1870 Census, it has John B. Chesshir and Nancy Chesshir and Sallie C. Chesshir age 14 and they are still living in Brewer, Pike, Arkansas.
On the 1900 Census, it has John B. Chesshir and Nancy Chesshir living with Granison Bacon with his wife Sally C. Bacon. Sally is 44 years old. John is 81 and Nancy is 75. They are living in Brewer, Howard, Arkansas.
So I don't think that John Cheshir, Chesshir, or Cheshier how ever one wants to spell it was Sarah E. Ferguson's mother and father. I still say her father was John W. Ferguson and her mother was Martha Bolinger.
I have a lot more on them but you should be able to find it. If not let me know and I will try to explain it to you. I hope this helps.
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Post by Wayne Land on Jan 20, 2014 18:59:01 GMT -5
It probably means nothing but I find it interesting that on the 1870 census in the John W. Ferguson household, Elizabeth is the "only" one in the family that has just one name listed. Everyone else is listed with a first name and a middle initial. I can't help but wonder why she isn't listed as Sarah E. Ferguson.
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Post by nmjames on Jan 20, 2014 21:55:08 GMT -5
Wayne,
I think you need to look at it again. There are three names on the 1870 census with a first and last name only.
Her mother, Elizabeth and Mr. Dunn.
Wayne how much do you know about J. Frank Dalton? I have some questions about him and Morrison.
nmjames
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Post by Wayne Land on Jan 20, 2014 23:06:11 GMT -5
But "Elizabeth" was not her first name. Probably means nothing, I just thought it was strange.
I know very little about Dalton and I don't really have a firm opinion as to his claim. Although I do think it is possible he was the real Jesse James, I doubt it. There are things about the photos of the dead Jesse that bother me. I think it is relevant that the dead man's hair was parted on the opposite side from the other photos of Jesse. I am aware there are some who believe Dalton was the one that told Morrison where he could find Brushy. That may be accurate but I don't think that is an indictment of Brushy's claim or Dalton's for that matter. I absolutely do not believe the DNA recovered from Jesse's exhumation proved anything.
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Post by nmjames on Jan 21, 2014 0:36:20 GMT -5
Thanks Wayne,
Here is what I am trying to find out. Dalton did tell Morrison where he could find Brushy. It state's so on page 3 & 4 of his book. It also states on page 3 that Morrison, was a member in good standing of the Missouri Historical Society. My question is how did Morrison and J. Frank Dalton know each other and when did they first meet. I know that J. Frank Dalton was at the Meramec Caverns in Missouri and on September 5, 1949 a Rudi Turilli and Lester Dill, general manager and owner hosted a reunion at the Meramec Caverns for Dalton and Brushy was there. It is said there is a tape recording of Brushy Bill during that time. However this was after Morrison was told by Dalton how to find Brushy.
A little bit of info. on Dalton. Dalton was missing part of his index finger. I read it was on his left hand but the picture you have looks like it's on his right hand. In the post mortem examination done on Dalton, it states he measured 5 foot, 8-1/2 inches, There was a scar from a rope burn around his neck. Both his feet had been badly burned. The end of his index finger was missing. (I wish they had said what hand.) However the real Jesse James was missing the middle finger on his left hand. Also Dalton people try to say that Jesse James had a rope burn around his neck but his step father was the one that was hung by the union troops. Jesse was beat badly.
One other question I have is Morrison worked with a R.F. Roberts in Beaumont, Texas. I was reading through some old papers from when Brushy met with the Gov. in 1950 and it stated that R.F. Roberts was kin to Brushy. I don't know if they just said that because of the Roberts name or if he was in fact kin to Brushy. I haven't had time to research that part.
Thanks,
nmjames
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Post by Wayne Land on Jan 21, 2014 17:34:28 GMT -5
I confess it's been awhile since I read Morrison's book and maybe I overlooked some passages. Tonight I'll get it out and go back through it again to review the comments about how Morrison found Brushy. I had never heard of R.F. Roberts.
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Post by nmjames on Jan 21, 2014 19:05:28 GMT -5
Wayne,
Mr. R.F. Roberts is on page 7 of Morrison's book. He was a lawyer in Beaumont, Texas.
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Post by nmjames on Jan 21, 2014 23:02:07 GMT -5
Wayne,
I have another question for you.
The question is Dewitt Travis states on page 124 of Morrison's book that His father, Elbert Travis, and Brushy Bill's father, "Two-Gun Roberts," fought together in the Civil War. Can you tell me where they fought together.
What unit and when?
Thanks,
nmjames
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Post by Wayne Land on Jan 22, 2014 21:42:12 GMT -5
No, I can't. But I'll guess it's probably not true. I'll see what I can find.
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Post by Wayne Land on Jan 23, 2014 13:57:27 GMT -5
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Post by Wayne Land on Jan 23, 2014 16:00:48 GMT -5
I actually have a copy of Ola Everhard's unpublished book but I can't access it. When I was visiting Texas, Dr. Jannay Valdez loaned me his copy of her book and I scanned the entire thing and saved it to a hard drive that later stopped working. I still have the hard drive and one of these days I'm going to see if someone can recover the data from it. I never even got around to reading the whole thing but she does write about Brushy even though the bulk of the text deals with J. Frank Dalton.
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