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Post by Hunter on May 23, 2019 20:21:17 GMT -5
Original photos:
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Post by Hunter on May 23, 2019 20:43:20 GMT -5
Theodore Roosevelt's Rough Riders. I believe the man on the far left resembles a younger William Roberts.
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Post by Hunter on May 23, 2019 21:02:54 GMT -5
Then there are the two photos of the Rough Rider and the World's Fair Cowboy. I believe the two men resemble each other and Brushy Bill Roberts from above post.
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Post by Hunter on May 23, 2019 21:08:57 GMT -5
By the way, I used to work for the "Big Mouse" in the Art and Design department. I am an graphic artist and photographer and working for the mouse, we had to be extremely detailed with our work.
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Post by leeb on Apr 5, 2020 5:59:30 GMT -5
Here's one I did recently, which surprised me quite a bit. I overlaid "Billy" from the Globe, Arizona photo with the photo said to be Brushy at age 28. I lined them up and proportionally resized them to be equal in scale, so that all of the facial features line up (or fail to). With no funny business, I was able to line up every feature of these men's faces, practically down to the pixel! The composite image: And the Globe Photo: With Brushy: This photo of brushy seems to show no scars, perhaps they fell off ?
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Post by leeb on Apr 5, 2020 9:04:13 GMT -5
Where is the scar across the bridge of the nose or the one on the forehead from that fateful night? I'm right in thinking that this is brushy aged 28. You'd have thought the scars received 1881 would be visible. Just asking?
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Post by leeb on Apr 5, 2020 11:24:12 GMT -5
And Wayne did you not use this photo to do one of your comparison drawings with all the colourful little lines? Again just asking.
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 5, 2020 16:45:43 GMT -5
"perhaps they fell off", "colorful little lines"? Are we trying to be sarcastic now? To be clear, I'm not sure that what we're seeing on the other photos are actually scars, or whether they are just distortions. I did think it was very interesting that the possible scar on the nose was left there by several different AI filters even though other much more noticeable distortions were removed. That said, I will suggest that the photo of Brushy at 28 was not taken with a modern camera and there is not a lot of detail visible. If you zoom in even a little, all you get is pixelation. Yes, I know the BTK tintype is way older even, but my point is that with older photographs, detail is a hit or miss proposition depending on lighting, angles, etc. and we do not have a cleared up AI treated copy of the other photos of Brushy. Also, the scar would have been much more "fresh" in the tintype and even 7 or 8 years later could have begun to fade. Additionally, the alleged scar on the forehead (if i"m looking at the correct thing) is actually above where his hairline is in the 28 year old pic.
In any case, there is no reason to be sarcastic. I mean, you "do" see the marks/blemishes/scars in the other photos, right? What do you think those are? No one added those in. They're there.
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Post by Red on Jun 4, 2020 2:54:14 GMT -5
Does anyone think that the photo of a supposedly young John Miller look like Charlie Bowdre?
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Post by leeb on Sept 2, 2020 12:14:23 GMT -5
Here's one I did recently, which surprised me quite a bit. I overlaid "Billy" from the Globe, Arizona photo with the photo said to be Brushy at age 28. I lined them up and proportionally resized them to be equal in scale, so that all of the facial features line up (or fail to). With no funny business, I was able to line up every feature of these men's faces, practically down to the pixel! The composite image: And the Globe Photo: With Brushy: rather a good looking chap, can't really see any evidence of having a bullet to the jaw? Perhaps cosmetic surgery was rife in the West.
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Post by kerry on Oct 3, 2020 1:07:55 GMT -5
Ironically - all the BTK photos look compatible except the glorified tin-type at Fort Sumner....there BTK looked gaunt but let his guard down and revealed his teeth -as Paulita Maxwell said -it was NOT a good likeness ...starting with the Croquet image -BTK has a rounded face not the least because he is consciously hiding his protubing front teeth from the camera.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 22:27:16 GMT -5
I requested this on the Henry Oliver Roberts thread but could Wayne be so kind as to do a comparison between the Henry Oliver Roberts photograph and the alleged Brushy Bill Roberts photograph (as a young man w/ mustache) to see how much it is identical?
Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all 😊
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 4, 2020 11:08:06 GMT -5
Stay tuned. I'm working on some comparison graphics I'll share when they're finished. But let me just say for now, you can not assume what family relationship two individuals have just because of how much they favor. An Uncle and a Nephew can favor more or less. Same for a grandfather and grandson, father and son, and so on. In fact, I look more like my maternal grandfather than I do my father. And my sister's son looks more like me than he does his own father. In fact he has almost no resemblance to his father at all. My own son looks more like his maternal grandfather and maternal uncle than he looks like me. If Brushy's version of his family history is true, we don't know exactly what his relationship to Henry O. was. Only that he would have been an Uncle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 17:44:33 GMT -5
Stay tuned. I'm working on some comparison graphics I'll share when they're finished. But let me just say for now, you can not assume what family relationship two individuals have just because of how much they favor. An Uncle and a Nephew can favor more or less. Same for a grandfather and grandson, father and son, and so on. In fact, I look more like my maternal grandfather than I do my father. And my sister's son looks more like me than he does his own father. In fact he has almost no resemblance to his father at all. My own son looks more like his maternal grandfather and maternal uncle than he looks like me. If Brushy's version of his family history is true, we don't know exactly what his relationship to Henry O. was. Only that he would have been an Uncle. I'm aware that there could be a high probability match simply because of there being a familial relationship. My hypothesis that Brushy Bill Roberts could've used Henry Oliver Roberts pictures to interject himself into the timeframe in question just needs to be given consideration--- if the degree of comparison is extremely high, then I would argue that my hypothesis is most likely correct. And if Henry Oliver Roberts is a match for Billy The Kid, it raises a number of questions for and against the claims of Brushy Bill Roberts, as well as "the official line" that historians have made for over a century. Thank you for your time and help Wayne. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you Wayne and Jesus Christ Almighty God bless your family 😊
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 4, 2020 20:32:56 GMT -5
Overlaying the photos like that is really just a morphing of one face into the other and that gradual change is misleading. I can do that easily and have done it but I know the results are less valid than the tracing method I used above. Billy's tintype is clearly more similar to all the photos of Brushy than it is the photo of Henry. And that includes the elderly photo of Brushy. And no, the basic shape of the inner ear does not change that much over the years. Henry O. Roberts was not Billy The Kid.
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