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Post by sushiadam on Nov 2, 2018 23:14:36 GMT -5
Ola Everhard said that she remembered a hired hand on her parents ranch that used it as well.
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Post by Brian on Dec 4, 2018 10:02:03 GMT -5
There are 2 letters written by Billy the kid is it not possible to match them with brushy bills hand writing
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Post by wannabe12 on Dec 4, 2018 15:49:31 GMT -5
Mckinley412, It was Sallie Chisum's husband William Robert that was summoned to court. On September 1,1880 Billy Wilson supposedly passed a $100.00 counterfeit bank note to William Robert in Anton Chico. A telegram was sent to Olinger stating that William Robert, John Chisum and Beaver Smith should be summoned to appear in court as witnesses against Billy Wilson. A young law student by the name of William Roberts also lived with John Around this time.
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 7, 2019 8:41:53 GMT -5
I confess that outlandish theory was thought up by none other than me. But we all know "sometimes" the truth is stranger than fiction and it "is" possible. Since Miller's story was pretty convincing to some folks and Brushy's to others like me. Maybe, just maybe, they were both telling the truth accept in Miller's case, he wasn't really Billy the Kid but he was Billy's stand in and his name was also Billy. Could explain why (at least some say) he only told his story to family members when he was under the influence.
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Post by Sam Fraser on Apr 11, 2019 15:12:41 GMT -5
I confess that outlandish theory was thought up by none other than me. But we all know "sometimes" the truth is stranger than fiction and it "is" possible. Since Miller's story was pretty convincing to some folks and Brushy's to others like me. Maybe, just maybe, they were both telling the truth accept in Miller's case, he wasn't really Billy the Kid but he was Billy's stand in and his name was also Billy. Could explain why (at least some say) he only told his story to family members when he was under the influence. That reminds me of one rumour (don't where it came from) to come out in later years that David E. George/John St. Helen, who claimed to be John Wilkes Booth, was actually Boston Corbett, the soldier who had actually killed Booth. According to people who were present at Booth's death and Corbett himself, Corbett claimed that God told him to kill Booth. This theory claims that Corbett's behavior became quite erratic throughout his life, and up to his imprisonment, escape and disappearance, that he underwent a new identity as St. Helen. Could it be possible that Corbett in his religious rambling became Booth to make up for killing him?
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Post by Guest on Apr 15, 2019 11:14:21 GMT -5
St. Helen was Corbett. I don't know where that one came from. But that makes a lot of sense!
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Post by Sam Fraser on Apr 16, 2019 4:10:12 GMT -5
St. Helen was Corbett. I don't know where that one came from. But that makes a lot of sense! Hans Anyone Done a comparaison between Those two just for thé sake of curiousty.
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Post by Sam Fraser on Apr 16, 2019 10:17:41 GMT -5
Has anyone done a comparison between Corbett and St. Helen, just out of curiosity?
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Post by Guest on Apr 24, 2019 22:34:07 GMT -5
I confess that outlandish theory was thought up by none other than me. But we all know "sometimes" the truth is stranger than fiction and it "is" possible. Since Miller's story was pretty convincing to some folks and Brushy's to others like me. Maybe, just maybe, they were both telling the truth accept in Miller's case, he wasn't really Billy the Kid but he was Billy's stand in and his name was also Billy. Could explain why (at least some say) he only told his story to family members when he was under the influence. I think you mean, Miller was sort of Billy, because for one night, he sort of was.
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 25, 2019 14:00:08 GMT -5
Well, I guess you could "sort of" put it that way, but I have to say that what I meant was exactly what I said. Not really a need to clarify it.
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Post by Sam Fraser on Sept 16, 2019 15:19:23 GMT -5
Billy Barlow being John Miller is a amusing thought. Basically, when he allegedly said he was BTK, he sort of was, for one night, because he was "killed and buried" as BTK. Who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 22:46:21 GMT -5
I think, personally, that "Billy Barlow" is a name Brushy got from elsewhere and said that the man's name was that, when in fact the name was from something else unrelated. The reason why I say that is because if you follow Roberts story of going all over the country, particularly his stay in Wyoming, you will find a small-time newspaper syndicate called "Billy Barlows" in the same general location as the horse race won by Cyclone. Its probably a lot more simpler to believe that an elderly man with memory issues, jumping from one subject to the next rather than in a chronological order, said that the man Garrett killed was "Billy Barlow" when it was a name for a syndicate Brushy read while in Wyoming. If people have a hard time picturing that, maybe the man Garrett killed had a name similar to "Billy Barlow" and Brushy said Barlow when it could've been anything from Barley to Bowdrie. I can easily see that happening. Then again, Brushy himself said that he was sure "Billy Barlow" was an alias and in 1880 there was a well known song at that time entitled Billy Barlow. It was a song for the poor in England/Ireland, and many Americans used the song for their own protests against the rich cattle barons--- and considering Billy The Kid was apart of the Lincoln County War which was all about this disparity of wealth, etc it's probably a song everyone who especially came from poor backgrounds knew. www.balladofamerica.org/billy-barlow/ So, maybe, the syndicate in Wyoming was called "Billy Barlows" because it was a paper directed strictly to the common working man. Ironically as early as 1835 there was horses & pigs named "Billy Barlow". It's ironic, too, that Brushy claimed to have went to Cincinnati to be a boxer. Unfortunately we don't have notebooks denoting all of Brushy's aliases, but oddly enough, in nearby Indianapolis IN on June 6th, 1892 Charles "Kid" McCoy defeats a Billy Barlow by six round decision McCoy's second fight as a professional, long before he'd ever become a champion. A cross examination of this fight, shows that it was Billy Barlow's debut and that he never fought again. Could this be Brushy Bill Roberts? After all, according to Brushy he failed miserably at boxing and gave up pursuing it. Maybe a quick look over old newspapers would give more information. Until then, it's nothing more than an interesting thing that sounds plausible. Quick Note: Looking over "THE LOST TAPES" book, Roberts says he was in Ohio (basically) from 1890-1892, before returning to Oklahoma. Roberts could've been off by a year or two in his account, and maybe Billy Barlow could've been Brushy.
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Post by MissyS on Nov 16, 2019 4:35:37 GMT -5
You may have discovered something very significant with the Barlow fighter and ballad, interesting find! I remember reading somewhere that Henry Antrim gave his stepson Billy a Barlow knife as a present at one time as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2019 23:07:20 GMT -5
You may have discovered something very significant with the Barlow fighter and ballad, interesting find! I remember reading somewhere that Henry Antrim gave his stepson Billy a Barlow knife as a present at one time as well. It's certainly a shot in the dark, pardon the pun, but considering BoxRec the leading boxing record site only has one Billy Barlow in their entire database, in the same general vicinity where Brushy said he was in the same general time frame, it's certainly plausible. I've been a member of BoxRec for several years and while undiscovered fighters surface from time to time, it is rather odd for everything to seemingly line up. I haven't found any further documentation on the fight itself, I may have to confur with someone more knowledgeable than myself, but wouldn't it be funny if a newspaper editorial joked that the man (Barlow) who lost to Kid McCoy looked like Billy The Kid?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 20:02:06 GMT -5
Can you repost the link? When I click on it it's blank.
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