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Post by Wayne Land on May 28, 2015 9:38:12 GMT -5
Nik,
To insert an image, do not use the "quick reply" box to type your message. Instead, begin by clicking the black button at the top right corner of the reply box. It just says "Reply" (with a black background). That will open a separate page where you have many options for your message. Along the upper right there are a series of small icons and the third one (seventh from the right) is the "insert image" icon. Click that and the rest is pretty self explanatory.
If you have problems still, you can email your images to me at "musicplay@me.com" and I will post them for you. I look forward to seeing your comparisons.
Wayne
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 13:54:35 GMT -5
When doing research on the horse known as Cyclone, it was interesting to see that there was a Wyoming newspaper entitled "Billy Barlows" which was a small syndicate among many others. Coincidence? Who knows. According to Brushy the man known as Billy Barlow was not really named Barlow, that was just a name he gave. However, Brushy said he believed that maybe the man was related to the Clement family. If there is any truth to that, I guess one would have to look at records to see if a teenager-young man from that family went missing, was presumed dead, etc.
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Post by Nik Oak on May 31, 2015 14:42:49 GMT -5
Well, here is the very rough comparison between Manuella Bowdre and Isadora Miller, as promised.
Sorry about the delay!
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Post by Nik Oak on May 31, 2015 15:38:02 GMT -5
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Post by MissyS on Aug 16, 2015 18:41:38 GMT -5
In doing some reading I came across a stage line company named Barlow and Sanderson operated by Bradley Barlow and Jared L. Sanderson, in 1878 Barlow supposedly withdrew and it became J L Sanderson Overland stage and express line, the stage does have ties to New Mexico, I'm wondering if Bradley Barlow had family or Kin that may have moved to New Mexico area when the stage line was running through that part maybe a connection to Brushy's Billy Barlow in question and stage line owner Bradley Barlow?, of course Barlow and Sanderson may have just been owners and not actually been drivers of the stage and may not have actually been in the area?
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Post by Wayne Land on Aug 17, 2015 13:33:30 GMT -5
Interesting lead Missy. Is it possible this Bradley Barlow was related to the Clements family? Is it possible Bradley was married to a Mexican? Brushy is said to have commented that he thought Billy Barlow was an alias and was related to the Clements family and was part Mexican. If any of that can be tied to Bradley Barlow then we have a stronger lead.
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Post by MissyS on Aug 17, 2015 18:29:02 GMT -5
I read that there was a stop along the Barlow Sanderson stage line that was a blacksmith shop, a post office, and trading post, it was known as "The Clifton House" it was for a brief time the headquarters of the Maxwell Land Grant, it may be possible Lucien Maxwell may have been acquainted with Bradley Barlow? It seems as though Bradley was with that stage line in that area briefly?, but its very possible he could have family in the area?, something happened to cause him to quit the stage, maybe he quit it because he wanted to marry and settle down with a lady he met in New Mexico because if he did do the driving it would make sense his wife wouldn't want him traveling all the time it is just a guess because he may not have done any driving only hired stage drivers instead? I will try and see what if anything more I can find out about Bradley?
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Post by MissyS on Aug 17, 2015 20:24:07 GMT -5
What I'm finding is Bradley Barlow died in Denver Colorado Oct 31,1889, he was from Vermont and very prominent, he was also at one time a railroad owner he had 6 children all daughters; Deborah, Helen, Joanna, Laura, Charlotte, and Anna, he married a lady named Caroline Farnsworth. No mention he lived in New Mexico but don't know if any of his family did? His daughter Laura married in St. Albans Vermont. I just thought there couldve been a chance.
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Post by MissyS on Aug 23, 2015 23:32:58 GMT -5
Two more possible leads to research, First in Jameson's book Billy Kid Beyond The Grave, it mentions Billy Barlow as having worked on a ranch with the Kid at one time in Muleshoe Texas, he also had come to Lincoln in 1880. If any Clements had a ranch in Muleshoe TX, or any Barlow had lived in Muleshoe prior to 1880 it would be a strong clue to who Billy Barlow could have been? Second lead is a ranch owned by a L. L. Barlow and Charles E. Pierce, it 's very briefly refered to in a book " The Mclaurys in Tombstone Arizona" by Paul Lee Johnson, although this ranch was concidered being in the Arizona area in 1881, it mentions the ranch being more in the New Mexico border, maybe more information can be found about this ranch and L. L. Barlow who may have owned this ranch?
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Post by Hector Horndog on Aug 31, 2015 16:10:45 GMT -5
I will add 2 more comments to this interesting topic. If Garrett accidently shot an unarmed man who was not The Kid, then he may have feared prosecution for murder. He could have then convinced McKinney & Poe that the dead man was The Kid because neither one of them (according to Poe's account)knew Billy by sight. The darkness of the room would easily make this scenario possible. Garrett admitted that he could not see The Kid and only identified him by his voice. That seems a bit flimsy excuse to me for shooting someone. As far as Brushy Bill is concerned, no one to my knowledge has noticed that Brushy Bill lived only 86.6 miles from Eastland, Texas where The Kid's pal Doc Scurlock settled after hostilities in Lincoln county ceased.
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Post by Rjbarlow on Oct 12, 2015 21:51:35 GMT -5
I am a Barlow and my family has said Billy the kid was related to my Barlow family. I am also told by my cousins their grandma placed Billy the kids gun under my grandfather's head because the women in the family were ashamed of Billy but that the gun was left to my grandfather who has passed. I didn't know my grandfather as all my family waited to have children at a late age...but they were in the 1800's for their births and deaths...
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Post by Wayne Land on Oct 13, 2015 10:08:34 GMT -5
Rjbarlow,
That's very interesting stuff. May I ask, have you done any research into your family ancestors, maybe on ancestry.com, etc.? Or do you know if there is any relationship in your family to the Clements family? If you'll send me more info, specific names, birthdates, etc, of whatever you do know for certain, I'd love to do some research and I would only post what you give me permission for. You can send me a private message if you're interested. Thanks.
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Post by cowboy barlow on Jul 10, 2016 20:13:02 GMT -5
I remember as a young child my great grandmother I can't remember her first name but she was a Clements. We would talk about the 1920's and things from when she was young. There was a number of times she would tell stories of feeding Billy the Kid and "his friends" as she would put it. She told me once before and at the time I didn't know what to say but she told me that a relative by the name of Billy Barlow was shot in the place of and allowing Billy the Kid to escape capture. She died in 1998 and she was never one to lie she just enjoyed sharing her knowledge. After she told me these stories I researched and fold the name Barlow many times in different books but his name would just pop up and then disappear just as fast. I am looking to find the truth on what might be a big part of my family history. please help
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Post by Wayne Land on Jul 10, 2016 22:05:55 GMT -5
Send me your full name, your parents' full names and places of residence and I'll search Ancestry.com to see what I can find. If you don't want to post that information here, (I wouldn't if I were you) then you can send it in a message or email it to me at musicplay@me.com.
Thanks
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 14, 2016 13:45:20 GMT -5
Cowboy Barlow, "She died in 1998 and she was never one to lie she just enjoyed sharing her knowledge. "
If you have provided her correct death date, she was probably born after 1898, at least 17 years after Pat Garrett killed Billy the Kid.
There is no New Mexico death certificate for William Bonney, but there is a coroner's jury report. There are also 1881 newspaper articles reporting his death.
There is no credible evidence that Billy the Kid was alive after July 1881. The most convincing part of Brushy Bill's story was his detailed knowledge of the Lincoln County war. Brushy Bill Roberts repeated many details of the Lincoln County war found in "The Saga of Billy the Kid", published in 1926 by Walter Noble Burns.
Brushy Bill Roberts appeared in marriage, census, and land records after 1911, as Oliver P. Roberts and O. P. Roberts. Oliver P. Roberts, son of Henry Oliver and Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson Roberts, also resided in Van Zandt County, in 1911. There is no credible evidence that Brushy Bill Roberts and Oliver P. Roberts were two different men.
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