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Post by Texas Truth Teller on May 13, 2021 16:42:33 GMT -5
Brushy claimed to have spent several years in Mexico - with rumor he had families there during his younger life.. Hispanics in NM as well BTK's friends were always going to remain quiet because they were worse than second class citizens -always vulnerable -BTK's friends even kept photos to themselves until with the passing of generations his memory faded and the photos were dispersed -some surviving only in junk shops...some lost forever...some priceless -why aren't historians buzzing over the Croquet picture? The Custer syndrome alive and well... There are many newspaper databases out there, but this one for Texas can often retrieve some good info. Brushy Bill and his associates would be good subjects to search there:texashistory.unt.edu/explore/collections/TDNP/Elwood,
"Sulphur Springs Gazette, August 11, 1916, page six, column 2
RIDING ROBERTS
O. K. Roberts, formerly lived in this county, and has been away for 15 years. During his time he has traveled in many lands, to wit: Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, Wyoming, Old Mexico, Montana, Canada, Arkansas, Louisiana, Kansas, Missouri, Tennessee, and Illinois. His itinerary has brought him in contact with many people. Mr. Roberts’ record as a daring rider is perhaps without parallel. In the past 21 years he has ridden 3000 horses and has had only three throws from the saddle to his credit, rode in 16 contests and fell from 2nd to 4th. He is known as “Lone Brushy Bill,” used to go with John Nunday and is the son of H. O. ROBERTS, who used to live at Sherley, now living at Canton, Van Zandt County. Mr. Roberts has saved 10 people from drowning. It looks like he ought to have a medal for heroism."
This is more evidence that H. O. Roberts was the father of Brushy Bill (whose birth name was Oliver P Roberts).
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Post by Wayne Land on May 13, 2021 22:16:25 GMT -5
This is evidence that Brushy was using O."K." Roberts as an alias in 1916 and identifying his father as H. O. Roberts. I don't see how that proves anything. In fact, the extensive list of achievements and travels would indicate he was not Oliver P. Roberts.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on May 13, 2021 22:52:42 GMT -5
This is evidence that Brushy was using O."K." Roberts as an alias in 1916 and identifying his father as H. O. Roberts. I don't see how that proves anything. In fact, the extensive list of achievements and travels would indicate he was not Oliver P. Roberts. Nice spin.
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Post by Elwood on May 13, 2021 23:11:20 GMT -5
This is evidence that Brushy was using O."K." Roberts as an alias in 1916 and identifying his father as H. O. Roberts. I don't see how that proves anything. In fact, the extensive list of achievements and travels would indicate he was not Oliver P. Roberts. Nice spin. Let's see if we can find some clues within these couple of dozen articles about Brushy Bill: Aug 29, 1935, Grand Saline Sun Brushy Bill's skill won him many tough jobs texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1015857/m1/3/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=3&lat=6380.839761663605&lon=1667.1594922869217----- July 22, 1937 Grand Saline Sun Brushy Bill recalls narrow escape from death texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1016104/m1/8/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=2&lat=5422.689111816642&lon=3693.0219335751085----- July 5, 1940 Stamford American Brushy Bill, Indian Scout attends show texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth972601/m1/4/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=2&lat=6951.450357164172&lon=3593.8415601619217----- March 31, 1944 The Dublin Progress Old Timer visits Dublin texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth593122/m1/6/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=1.5&lat=3568.234083832586&lon=865.3020963989768----- June 15, 1944 Grand Saline Sun Ill at home of her son in Grand Saline texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1003745/m1/2/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=3&lat=6485.757801479451&lon=3687.7819978475136----- July 27, 1944 Grand Saline Sun Pioneer Texas Ranger visits Grand Saline Friends Recently texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1003264/m1/2/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=2&lat=6639.412274204307&lon=3757.8108830979572----- June 6, 1947 Stephenville-Empire Tribune Brushy Bill Roberts here texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1120196/m1/3/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=1.5&lat=4943.164182863265&lon=2945.2804453961744----- June 13, 1947 Stephenville-Empire Tribune Traildriver, scout will be at Carlton Homecoming today texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1121004/m1/12/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=2&lat=5867.799324094323&lon=3148.385556746389----- August 1, 1947 Stephenville-Empire Tribune Indian Scout who knew Frank Dalton now is living in Hico texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1120507/m1/19/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=4&lat=5779.919292405232&lon=1539.4578140014792----- August 29, 1947 Stephenville-Empire Tribune Brief mention in article texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1120470/m1/9/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=2&lat=5009.739449194562&lon=908.0904773907882----- July 16, 1948 Stephenville-Empire Tribune To appear in rodeo texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1134627/m1/9/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=2&lat=6812.628824471037&lon=743.953260244167----- August 19, 1949 The Dublin Progress Brushy Bill Roberts to attend rodeo texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth532333/m1/10/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=2&lat=5437.261220364975&lon=1835.2222039506169----- January 10, 1950 Baytown Sun Here it is again, another Jesse James "O. L. Roberts, Brushy Bill Roberts, Hico, Texas" texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1027324/m1/11/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=2&lat=5632.862789010591&lon=1899.5782419302031----- January 10, 1950 Sweetwater Reporter Jesse James, 102 "O. L. Brushy Bill Roberts, 90 of Hico, Texas." texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth290410/m1/6/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=2&lat=2294.880077152058&lon=1833.5621585906547----- January 12, 1950 Gladewater Daily Mirror Claims he's Jesse James "Other man, Brushy Bill Roberts, 90, claims to have been a member of the James Gang." texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1008106/m1/12/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=3&lat=5311.132224039867&lon=2072.2406631522----- December 28, 1950 Baytown Sun Brushy Bill dies with boots on texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1027616/m1/1/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=3&lat=1434.351246437609&lon=1354.5944695994958----- December 18, 1950 Breckenridge American Billy the Kid surely dead now with boots on texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth133860/m1/1/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=4&lat=3344.5&lon=3536----- December 18, 1950 Stephenville Daily Empire Brushy Bill ends colorful careet texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1133360/m1/1/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=4&lat=5289.169593920001&lon=2594----- December 28, 1950 Sweetwater Reporter Brushy Bill dies Claimed he was Billy the Kid texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth750058/m1/8/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=4&lat=5468.707299057533&lon=841.6485272321131----- December 29, 1950 Gladewater Daily Mirror Mam Claiming to be Billy the Kid, dies texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1008541/m1/4/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=4&lat=6071.831373842098&lon=2023.1303819132295----- December 29, 1960 The Orange Leader Man who claimed he was Billy the Kid dies with his boots on in Texas town texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth557264/m1/6/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=3&lat=4328.812973043121&lon=3134.4372972672327----- December 31, 1950 Gladewater Daily Mirror Attorney insists O. L. Roberts was Billy the Kid "Brushy Bill recently said that he was 90, although he had told friends he was 73 in 1941". [born in ca 1868]. texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1008839/m1/6/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=2&lat=6816.804469684123&lon=739.2160158083637----- January 5, 1951 Stephenville-Empire Tribune Says Brushy Bill could not have been the Kid texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1133148/m1/3/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=4&lat=6069.443945903864&lon=1007.9665763783762----- 5 January 1951 Stephenville-Empire Tribune Brushy Bill is gone, but his stories will live on Who knows the answer texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1133148/m1/11/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=3&lat=6026.084218396128&lon=902.6948709161873----- March 9, 1951 The West News Taps sounded for man who claimed to be The Kid texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth589245/m1/7/zoom/?q=%22brushy%20bill%22&resolution=3&lat=3387.832870855269&lon=1918.7308694365279-----
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Post by RonBk on May 13, 2021 23:58:40 GMT -5
This is evidence that Brushy was using O."K." Roberts as an alias in 1916 and identifying his father as H. O. Roberts. I don't see how that proves anything. In fact, the extensive list of achievements and travels would indicate he was not Oliver P. Roberts. Its also does not comply with being Oliver P that he had been "out of the country for 15 years".
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Post by RonBk on May 14, 2021 0:26:32 GMT -5
Elwood this is amazing. That first article from 1935 confirms a good deal of Brushys story!
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Post by Elwood on May 14, 2021 9:13:04 GMT -5
This is evidence that Brushy was using O."K." Roberts as an alias in 1916 and identifying his father as H. O. Roberts. I don't see how that proves anything. In fact, the extensive list of achievements and travels would indicate he was not Oliver P. Roberts. Its also does not comply with being Oliver P that he had been "out of the country for 15 years". To help with the analysis of the 25 newspaper articles about Brushy Bill: 1. Make a time-line of the key events in his life, as he described them. See if there are any conflicts in these dates as the newspaper articles progress chronologically. 2. Record the key names and places in the articles and see if there are any variations. As Brushy Bill ages, you can expect some info to get mixed up somewhat. 3. List anything in these articles that appears to be "new", compared to the many books and posts that may indicate something otherwise.
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Post by MissyS on May 14, 2021 14:51:48 GMT -5
Great Job finding all of those Brushy articles! Thank You Elwood for compiling them and posting them, it sure makes it easier to research things. Right offhand I did read some new things mentioned I didn’t know before, but not sure if I just missed them in books? I Know Brushy mentioned riding “Cyclone”, but in one of the articles there was a mention that he rode “Crazy Fox” in Mexico in 1892, and a “Zebra Dan” and a I believe a horse named “Wild Hyena” in South America. I don’t doubt he rode those other horses, and it’s understandable not mentioning every horse he rode years later, I’m sure there will be more in those articles that’s helpful. I also agree that Ronnback’s theory of Pat Garrett maybe was the cause for Brushy to wait to marry and settle down makes sense, it does seem puzzling for Brushy to wait so long in age to marry, after being on the run for so long, it would seem he would want and need some stability in his life that he never really had much of, and once he got freedom to finally settle down and marry, he didn’t right away, if Brushy knew that Pat Garrett was in Texas he must have been thinking to protect his every move. It could be also that Brushy left a sweetheart in New Mexico when he had to flee for his life and it may have taken him a while for his broken heart to mend? I will try and look up what I can about those horse names, to see if I can find a photo of Brushy riding them.
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Post by RonBk on May 14, 2021 16:36:49 GMT -5
I have not yet had the time to go through all of the material, but one thing that crossed my mind while processing some of it is this. Brushy did talk to reporters quiet a few times over the years about his earlier days. This tells me that this was something that he felt he really wanted to do, to tell his life story. There are several different possible answers to the question of what his motives could have been for that. One take on this that I felt strongly while looking at these articles, is that Brushy really wanted to tell the world who he really was but also he hesitated to do so. So time and again he spoke to reporters and perhaps thought about coming clean about his true identity every time, but he never dared to. Until he met Morrison that is. This may have had an effect on how he told his story. If we presume this theory is correct and he was truly Billy the kid, he was living a life with a big secret, and this made him tell lots of lies. In that scenario his whole life was like a big lie. I also find it very interesting that a lot of those things that he told Morrison match up to what he said as early as 1935.
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Post by leeb on May 16, 2021 6:59:25 GMT -5
Brushy said he rode "Cyclone " in 1889 but Cyclone was a famous bucking horse in 1912. He was only a mere 23years out.
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Post by RonBk on May 16, 2021 8:04:51 GMT -5
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Post by tboor74 on May 16, 2021 8:37:23 GMT -5
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Post by leeb on May 16, 2021 9:26:53 GMT -5
The event in Wyoming in 1889 where brushy said he rode Cyclone didn't even have a horse of that name present.
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Post by nmkid on May 16, 2021 12:07:02 GMT -5
Defending Brushy at all cost wont bring you anywhere, you seem to beliving on fantasy island
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Post by RonBk on May 16, 2021 15:07:26 GMT -5
The event in Wyoming in 1889 where brushy said he rode Cyclone didn't even have a horse of that name present. I did not know that. Do you have a source that can verify this claim?
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