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Post by kerry on Aug 8, 2020 10:01:03 GMT -5
The Anaya family have their own association with BTK and a descendant does have something on Utube..Paulitta did not name the girl whose child looked remarkedly like BTK -but she did name most of Billy's other Belles and alluded to others...she also made it clear she was not one of them despite the romantic tales that she was.Buck Anaya took custody of the body and was on the first Coroner's Jury whose verdict was discarded so that another Jury could attempt the task...it may have been a third verdict that Sherriff Garrett eventually settled on.
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Miller
Aug 9, 2020 13:33:41 GMT -5
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Post by leeb on Aug 9, 2020 13:33:41 GMT -5
Well you know they say truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. I came up with the far fetched idea years ago that Miller might have actually been Billy Barlow. About the only way I could see that ever being proven would be as you say, for the DNA on the bench to match Miller's and Brushy's DNA to match Catherine Antrim's. That would prove Brushy was BTK and make it extremely likely that Miller was Billy Barlow. Ahhh!, imagination is a wonderful thing. so Billy Barlow was Billy the kid, who was also brushy Bill who was also John miller who was also Jesse James, who rode into fort Sumner on a well healed unicorn.
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Aug 9, 2020 16:15:38 GMT -5
Post by Wayne Land on Aug 9, 2020 16:15:38 GMT -5
That's cute! Maybe I'll laugh sometime next week? In the meantime, let's not ridicule one another. That serves no purpose.
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Aug 10, 2020 9:29:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 9:29:00 GMT -5
Billy The Kid, officially, never had a son or daughter. To speculate that he did is just that speculation. That's a whole other kettle of fish.
But let's say that it is true--- in my view, that rules out Brushy Bill Roberts as Billy The Kid because it's plainly obvious that Brushy Bill Roberts was either sterile or impotent.
Even IF (and it's a big if) that he wasn't married to Anna Lee, he was married to Molly Brown for several years and those were child rearing years. Sure, somebody can say maybe she was the sterile one, but I find that to be unlikely.
It's most likely he was married to both Anna Lee and Mollie Brown, and that indicates that he was the sterile or impotent one. Considering everyone else in the Roberts family just cranked out kids like nobody's business, etc--- and he never had any children implies that he couldn't have been Billy The Kid IF (and it's a big if) Billy The Kid had a son or daughter.
That being said, it's plausible that Billy The Kid could've been sterile himself because illnesses or injuries can make you sterile or impotent. I don't know if the subject has been addressed before in any detail but it's either evidence for or against Brushy Bill Roberts.
Cus let's assume both men were sterile. On top of physical appearance, and quasi-intimate knowledge of different things, it would make it pretty unlikely that the two men were two different people. It's not impossible, but highly unlikely. If he was sterile, then Billy The Kid never could've had children.
However, if Billy The Kid did have a child it does rule out Roberts--- unless Billy The Kid later became sterile or impotent, which is a possibility. I reckon this falls into the "inconclusive" category because only a DNA test could rule out Roberts as the alleged biological father of someone's child.
Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all 😊
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Aug 10, 2020 10:37:37 GMT -5
Post by Wayne Land on Aug 10, 2020 10:37:37 GMT -5
Child or no child, impotent or not, I don't believe there is any real evidence BTK ever fathered a child. Some of this comes from the photo of Paulita's son Telesfor because folks think he bears a strong resemblance to Billy. Telesfor was born a number of years after 1881 and he only resembles the distorted images of the famous tintype of Billy. He does not really "look like" BTK. Here's a link to an excellent article on the subject from True West magazine. truewestmagazine.com/billys-bastard-child/
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Aug 10, 2020 12:22:53 GMT -5
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Post by red on Aug 10, 2020 12:22:53 GMT -5
The idea that BTK fathered a child has been mentioned on certain Facebook pages dealing with BTK. In my 50 years of life, the one who denied something the most either did it or knew something about it. So Leeb what do you really know about Billy Barlow?
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Aug 10, 2020 13:31:52 GMT -5
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Post by kerry on Aug 10, 2020 13:31:52 GMT -5
John Miller and his wife could not have children and adopted a son...the girl Paulitta was referring to was Buck Anaya's daughter who later married an ex-regulator and good friend of BTK's.... When Chino Silva talks of BTK dressing as a girl to disguise himself -he is unwittingly referring to BTK's son and obviously not BTK. Hi - Red...don't know why Miller needed the alias Barlow.As a Chisum cowboy he would have known all about the LCW and BTK as the Regulators were effectively running interferrence for Chisum. In post BTK life Miller denied being BTK but liked to display his pistol skills and tricks simular to Billy's ..it may be relevant that his pistol was a long-barrelled .45 sporting notches on its handle. Perhaps it was the birth of his son that brought BTK back to Old Fort Sumner -it certainly was not Paulitta..perhaps it was his grandchildren that brought Brushy back to OFS almost up until his death? cheers Red !
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Aug 10, 2020 15:01:18 GMT -5
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Post by leeb on Aug 10, 2020 15:01:18 GMT -5
The idea that BTK fathered a child has been mentioned on certain Facebook pages dealing with BTK. In my 50 years of life, the one who denied something the most either did it or knew something about it. So Leeb what do you really know about Billy Barlow? sorry to disappoint red but Billy Barlow didn't exist, there are no records of BB. Isn't it funny that BB isn't mentioned anywhere by any of the participants of the LCW. Isn't it funny that no ever mentioned about a shoot out with Garrett apart from old brushy. BB was just another figment of poor old lying brushy's imagination. It has been said 'was brushy BTK ,no. Did he think he was BTK 'well that's a different story '.
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Aug 10, 2020 16:01:27 GMT -5
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Post by red on Aug 10, 2020 16:01:27 GMT -5
Kerry, you seem really sure BTK had a child and grandchildren. Also seems you believe Brushy was the Kid. Curious how you know? 🤔
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Post by kerry on Aug 10, 2020 18:49:32 GMT -5
Red -sometimes a good narrative helps when the facts can't be verified -the Burns' interview with Paulitta Maxwell is an eye witness account from an educated astute and spirited woman from Fort Sumner's patriarchal old Mexican family....she told Burns she would sue if he published the interview incorrectly. Paulitta kept a photo album from a teenager (which she was in 1881) and although a copy of BTK's tin type was in the family's possession -they gave it to a family friend...she describes the day BTK posed in the street for the tin type and the etiquette around the dances he attended...the aftermath of the shooting in her house -all pivotal stuff to understand the people and times. Understandingly - neither BTK nor Brushy mention her but she was observing all that happened.No other recollection has the authenticity and significance of Paulitta Maxwell's in my opinion...
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Aug 13, 2020 18:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by Bucky on Aug 13, 2020 18:21:31 GMT -5
And then you have this: nmfog.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Copperv.Virden.pdfThere’s some pretty interesting tidbits in this. In case anyone is wary of clicking the link, it’s a pdf right from the New Mexico court system. If you don’t want to click it, google New Mexico case file D1329-CV-07-1364
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Aug 14, 2020 12:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by leeb on Aug 14, 2020 12:43:25 GMT -5
That's cute! Maybe I'll laugh sometime next week? In the meantime, let's not ridicule one another. That serves no purpose. have you laughed yet? I've just met a bloke that sort of speaks Spanish, so he's gonna grow a moustache and change his name to Billy Barlow. That's how easy the brushy embarrassment is!!
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Post by Wayne Land on Aug 14, 2020 15:09:54 GMT -5
<<have you laughed yet? I've just met a bloke that sort of speaks Spanish, so he's gonna grow a moustache and change his name to Billy Barlow. That's how easy the brushy embarrassment is!!>>
Don't forget to ask him if he'd like to risk being arrested, jailed and executed for a 70 year old crime he didn't commit.
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Aug 14, 2020 16:06:30 GMT -5
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Post by red on Aug 14, 2020 16:06:30 GMT -5
So leeb, do you and texas truth teller write books? It seems you have money invested that Brushy isn’t Billy.
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Post by chivato88 on Aug 14, 2020 16:09:14 GMT -5
So leeb, do you and texas truth teller write books? It seems you have money invested that Brushy isn’t Billy. Leeb needs to take a pill and calm down, he knows the truth is coming out slowly 😁
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