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Post by RonBk on Oct 6, 2021 7:49:44 GMT -5
Hello Everyone! My great great Grandmother is Angelita Sedillo Gutierrez. Its true her father was very upset about what was going on between Billy and Angelita and she was married off to Benito Trujillo. After Benito Trujillo died, Angelita later married Francisco Gutierrez. My Great great grandfather.Their son Ramon Gutierrez is my grandmas father. Welcome to the board! It'll be interesting to hear your perspective on things. Are there any stories about Billy the Kid in your family?
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Post by Kristen Crowder on Oct 6, 2021 8:21:22 GMT -5
Hello Everyone! My great great Grandmother is Angelita Sedillo Gutierrez. Its true her father was very upset about what was going on between Billy and Angelita and she was married off to Benito Trujillo. After Benito Trujillo died, Angelita later married Francisco Gutierrez. My Great great grandfather.Their son Ramon Gutierrez is my grandmas father.
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Post by AngelitaSedillosGGgrandaughter on Feb 2, 2022 1:54:40 GMT -5
Angelita Sedillo Gutierrez 1861-1942Angelita Gutierrez BIRTH 1861 DEATH 27 Jun 1942 (aged 80–81) BURIAL South Park Cemetery Roswell, Chaves County, New Mexico PLOT 11A-92-3 - UNMARKED GRAVE Francisco Gutierrez 1847-1935Francisco “Francis” Gutierrez BIRTH 1847 DEATH 26 Jan 1935 (aged 87–88) BURIAL South Park Cemetery Roswell, Chaves County, New Mexico PLOT 11A-92-1 So that makes her much closer in age to Billy than was previously recorded. Hello Wayne I am the one who you reached out to on Ancestry! Angelita Sedillo Gutierrez is my great great grandmother, her son Ramon Gutierrez is my grandmas father. I have been searching for a picture of Angelita for a LONG time. there was and issue of LIFE magazine but not the Aug 1941 issue with Sisto Sedillo. There is another one where she is pictured. Out beside the picture it I remember it saying Gutierrez! If I can remember correctly she was sitting on a fence in the photo. My grandma use to have this issue but it was stolen by a daughter. I remember my grandma Betty saying her grandma use to meet Billy when he was hiding out and take him food.
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Post by AngelitaSedillosGGgrandaughter on Feb 2, 2022 2:08:00 GMT -5
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> And here is a photo of Angelita with her brother Don Sixto, sitting beside a framed photo of their father. Hello this is not Angelita Sedillo Gutierrez it is Margatria Sedillo Don Sistos wife. My cousin Andrea cleared this up for me.
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Post by Wayne Land on Feb 2, 2022 15:02:45 GMT -5
Many, many thanks to Kristen for sharing this information. I have to say it supports Brushy's claim to Josephine Sanchez that he had dated a Sedillos girl. I've long believed that was one of the most convincing revelations supporting Brushy's claim, but now I'm not so sure since it turns out Billy's relationship with Angelita Sedillos was discussed in some detail in the August 1941 issue of Life magazine. So, as it turns out Brushy would have had a way of obtaining that knowledge other than living it himself. Of course we don't know if Brushy saw that article or not. But he could have.
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Post by RonBk on Feb 2, 2022 16:38:38 GMT -5
Many, many thanks to Kristen for sharing this information. I have to say it supports Brushy's claim to Josephine Sanchez that he had dated a Sedillos girl. I've long believed that was one of the most convincing revelations supporting Brushy's claim, but now I'm not so sure since it turns out Billy's relationship with Angelita Sedillos was discussed in some detail in the August 1941 issue of Life magazine. So, as it turns out Brushy would have had a way of obtaining that knowledge other than living it himself. Of course we don't know if Brushy saw that article or not. But he could have. Do you have access to this article? What does it say?
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Post by noreaster on Feb 2, 2022 17:50:11 GMT -5
Many, many thanks to Kristen for sharing this information. I have to say it supports Brushy's claim to Josephine Sanchez that he had dated a Sedillos girl. I've long believed that was one of the most convincing revelations supporting Brushy's claim, but now I'm not so sure since it turns out Billy's relationship with Angelita Sedillos was discussed in some detail in the August 1941 issue of Life magazine. So, as it turns out Brushy would have had a way of obtaining that knowledge other than living it himself. Of course we don't know if Brushy saw that article or not. But he could have. Do you have access to this article? What does it say? Here is a link to the August 4 1941 Life Article. See Page 64-67+
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Post by noreaster on Feb 2, 2022 20:37:43 GMT -5
Many, many thanks to Kristen for sharing this information. I have to say it supports Brushy's claim to Josephine Sanchez that he had dated a Sedillos girl. I've long believed that was one of the most convincing revelations supporting Brushy's claim, but now I'm not so sure since it turns out Billy's relationship with Angelita Sedillos was discussed in some detail in the August 1941 issue of Life magazine. So, as it turns out Brushy would have had a way of obtaining that knowledge other than living it himself. Of course we don't know if Brushy saw that article or not. But he could have. Do you have access to this article? What does it say? Here is another Article from May 4 1959
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Post by chivato88 on Feb 3, 2022 9:35:55 GMT -5
I have to say that Im a bit disapointed, I tought it was the most solid evidence. But like Wayne said that does not mean he has read it. I still think that Brushy is Billy, he knew to much in detail. Its almost impossible that he got all his knowledge from books and the papers.
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Post by cassandra jane on Feb 3, 2022 12:01:47 GMT -5
I have to say that Im a bit disapointed, I tought it was the most solid evidence. But like Wayne said that does not mean he has read it. I still think that Brushy is Billy, he knew to much in detail. Its almost impossible that he got all his knowledge from books and the papers. I wouldn’t think too much into it because for all we know he could’ve maintained this for years before those articles came out. Also considering discussions prior about his financial state and how easily he could a) have found those media outlets and b) afforded to buy them.
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Post by chivato88 on Feb 3, 2022 12:03:38 GMT -5
I have to say that Im a bit disapointed, I tought it was the most solid evidence. But like Wayne said that does not mean he has read it. I still think that Brushy is Billy, he knew to much in detail. Its almost impossible that he got all his knowledge from books and the papers. I wouldn’t think too much into it because for all we know he could’ve maintained this for years before those articles came out. Also considering discussions prior about his financial state and how easily he could a) have found those media outlets and b) afforded to buy them. Exactly what I meant to say, you've read my mind
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Post by cassandra jane on Feb 3, 2022 12:10:43 GMT -5
I wouldn’t think too much into it because for all we know he could’ve maintained this for years before those articles came out. Also considering discussions prior about his financial state and how easily he could a) have found those media outlets and b) afforded to buy them. Exactly what I meant to say, you've read my mind Years of practice reading my mother’s mind 😂 I just wish we had access to those materials he wrote but destroyed.
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Post by RonBk on Feb 3, 2022 13:00:00 GMT -5
There wasnt much detail in that article. There was no mention of Angelita by name. It merely said Billy at one point was in love with Don Sixtos sister and the family did not approve. Also think about all those details about Billys life that Brushy knew, this was just one of a thousand. And he knew all this and was able to tell Morrison and others about it all. There is just no way he gathered all this info from various articles and books. When you listen to the voice recording of Brushy you hear he speaks in a very sharp and honest way. There is absolutely no signs in his voice and the way he talks that he was a persons who likes to tell farytales. No, you can hear right away this is a person with high integrity. Thats my opinion.
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Post by AngelitaSedillosGGgrandaughter on Feb 3, 2022 14:48:47 GMT -5
Do you have access to this article? What does it say? Here is another Article from May 4 1959Wayne I emailed you some articles and Pictures!
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Post by AngelitaSedillosGGgrandaughter on Feb 3, 2022 15:43:49 GMT -5
My grandma said she was ONE of his girlfriends. There was also Celsa Gutierrez and Paulita Maxwell. I wonder why there is no mention of those other ladies. Angelita must have really meant something to him if he only mentions her. Francisco his friend is my great great grandfather. I wonder if he wanted his friend to take care of her. is there any mention of anyone else? I hate to say but I havent heard the recording. is there a link?
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