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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 16:40:39 GMT -5
www.gladewaterpd.com/Brushy Bill Roberts claimed that while living in Gladewater Texas that he was a plainclothes policeman. This is the more recent of his claims, since he lived in Gladewater in the 1930s. I don't think anyone has really went looking for confirmation that is even remotely true or not. Everybody has been more focused on his more outlandish claims. I wish the Gladewater police department had an email address so I could do correspondence with them that way, but all I see is a telephone number. I don't really want to have to make calls. I did, however, send an email to the Gladewater Chamber of Commerce about the matter and Jesus willing they'll either tell me the information that I ask or point me in the direction of where to look. Jesus bless you all 😊
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Post by MissyS on Dec 9, 2019 21:15:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 21:39:22 GMT -5
That's why I want to see newspapers for the Gladewater area in the 1930s. Unfortunately I'm unable to due to money. But I know if he was that colorful of a character, he's got to be mentioned at least once. Jesus bless you and your family |
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 18, 2020 13:22:27 GMT -5
Have you seen the post that Daniel A. Edwards made? He also posted the clipping. One newspaper says Brushys says he thinks he worked for the City of Gladewater for 18 years but it doesn't mention a specific job in that article. Another says that according to local newspaper clippings he came to Hico from Gladewater in Sept. 1941.
(Perhaps he moved to Hamilton in 41 and then Hico, not sure, I been told he was mostly in Hamilton and only lived in Hico a couple years)
Daniel A. Edwards: Oh, by the way, Brushy was documented in the Shreveport Times on June 15, 1942 as participating in a rodeo in Gladewater, TX. Come to think of it, I should probably include that in my book, since his teeth were removed in Gladewater and he said he lived there and served as an undercover policeman there. How interesting that he actually is documented as living there. Also, how cool is it that at this huge event of more than 15,000 people, he is mentioned by name by the President of Round Up Association and has top billing right alongside the Postmaster. Hey, thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 16:57:18 GMT -5
Forgot to update this... The city of Gladewater never got back to me about the query whether Brushy Bill Roberts worked as a plainclothes policeman or not.
I sent the email on 12/9/19 and wrote the following to them:
"Dear Sir or Madam,
I'm an amateur historian looking to verify or discredit the claims of one Oliver Pleasant Roberts alias O.L. Roberts alias William Henry Roberts. He's more known as "Brushy" Bill Roberts, and was at one point and time a citizen of Gladewater Texas.
Among his various claims is that he was a plainclothes policeman while a resident of Gladewater. I tried to reach out to the Gladewater police department, but they had no email address and since I'm several states away I did not find it appropriate to be calling them when they're a small team trying to ensure the safety of 7,000+ citizens.
The website did recommend to email any & all questions to the Gladewater Chamber of Commerce, so I am hoping that you can possibly check into my query whether he ever was employed by the city as an undercover policeman.
Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter, Jesus bless each and every single one of you."
I'm going to assume that no answer means that it's an unconformable thing. Then again I may have to find a group page for Gladewater and ask if anyone has documentation from a Historical society or something.
Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all 😊
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 18, 2020 17:13:52 GMT -5
They say he lived there during the oil boom and worked for the city. In the paper it doesnt mention an undercover policeman. He may have been lying about being a policeman or being Billy the Kid. But there may be truths in his lies if he did lie. So we can only try to find out the history of Oliver Roberts and as facts come out then maybe him and the identity of Billy the Kid will meet in the middle. J. Frank Dalton was allegedly involved in the oil business so maybe Roberts was too.
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 18, 2020 17:17:52 GMT -5
Also, some undercover policemen are deep undercover and the Dept. might not want to talk about it. Especially now with everyone being sued.
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Post by MissyS on Jul 18, 2020 18:06:57 GMT -5
I found a page to a Gregg County Records, looks like Gregg County covers Gladewater and Longview and Kilgore, you have to weed around, the dates range from late 1800’s into early 1940’s there’s lists of school names, census lists, Drs and the name of a frontier dentist listed, maybe he’s the one that removed Brushy’s teeth? Theres some interesting lists of military, soldier’s schedule, Veterans lists etc.., land and tax info and civic names. I read somewhere that Brushy’s teeth were removed in Gladewater in 1931 so was he living there then? I tried to dig up his name during those dates I couldn’t find anything so far, I haven’t looked at all the categories though.  txgenwebcounties.org/gregg/Records.html |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 20:52:32 GMT -5
That's another reason why I'm interested in Gladewater because J. Frank Dalton and DeWitt Travis also lived there for a time, and I hope to Jesus Christ Almighty God someday I can find a plat map of Gladewater during that time to see just where everybody lived in proximity to each other.
Ola Everhart claimed that Dalton used to stay over at Brushy's house, most notably when Dalton had a broken leg, and if that is the case they might've been neighbors.
Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all 😊
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Jul 18, 2020 22:16:24 GMT -5
"Daniel A. Edwards: Oh, by the way, Brushy was documented in the Shreveport Times on June 15, 1942 as participating in a rodeo in Gladewater, TX. Come to think of it, I should probably include that in my book, since his teeth were removed in Gladewater and he said he lived there and served as an undercover policeman there. How interesting that he actually is documented as living there. Also, how cool is it that at this huge event of more than 15,000 people, he is mentioned by name by the President of Round Up Association and has top billing right alongside the Postmaster. Hey, thanks!"
That is consistent with information provided by Oliver P Roberts' relative to William A Tunstill, found on p. 36, "Billy the Kid and Me Were the Same".
"She knew that Brushy Bill had retired from the rodeo circuit and settled back in Hico, Texas."
The 1940 census shows that Ollie and Loutecia Roberts were residents of precinct 3 in Gladewater, and lived in the same place in 1935.
Like the rest of Brushy's story, there is no proof that Brushy was an undercover policeman in Gladewater, or that a dentist in Glsdewater removed his protuding front teeth. If that were true, all photos of Brushy prior to 1930 should show his protruding teeth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 11:32:31 GMT -5
Like the rest of Brushy's story, there is no proof that Brushy was an undercover policeman in Gladewater, or that a dentist in Glsdewater removed his protuding front teeth. If that were true, all photos of Brushy prior to 1930 should show his protruding teeth. UNLESS... my theory is true, that photos ALLEGEDLY of Brushy Bill Roberts as a younger man was really photographs of his father Henry Oliver Roberts, which would explain the lack of the bucked teeth in earlier photographs IF Brushy actually had bucked teeth. Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all 😊 |
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 20, 2020 2:35:34 GMT -5
go to findagrave.com and look up Henry and Sarah Roberts and see a pic of a possible Brushy
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Post by MissyS on Jul 20, 2020 23:56:40 GMT -5
Could a little touch up have been possible? Just like pink color added to cheeks in some old photos, maybe a photographer was paid a little extra to color in or darken a couple of teeth in a photo?  |
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Post by mckinley412 on Jul 21, 2020 16:27:51 GMT -5
Rufus, are you confusing Gladewater with Granbury, You probably aren't but I just wanted to ask, I know Granbury is next to Hico and they obviously knew each other years before. I don't think that is Brushy in the photo on findagrave but ears match, and I heard the family looked the same but in that photo the parents do not look like the other clear parents photo that have been posted before of his parents. Lost Interviews which you know I don't trust or I guess it was Beyond the Grave says the one Brushy lookalike was a cousin. This pic from findagrave, I will post, I had never seen it before, you tell me your opinions, but it would better if you had seen the other alleged Brushy father pic too which I don't have handy. That would be this guy's right ear protruding but Brushy's left ear stuck out the furthest. His jaw is wide but he looks different. I think he is not Brushy. You can see his other ear too. But it is close enough to ponder, debate, argue about. However the parents do not look anything like The other Roberts parents of Brushy Bill. If you guys never saw the parents photo I can try to find one of I can. Basically you got an old man that looks very similar to Brushy and he is the dad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 18:18:29 GMT -5
I mean Gladewater, because I saw at least one newspaper article mentioning Brushy Bill Roberts concerning some festival in Gladewater.
Furthermore, he claimed that he was a plainclothes policeman in Gladewater. After all, the Sabine River Bottoms runs along the Nacogdoches University site on the old plat maps for Sulphur Springs.
Gladewater is just "1 hour and 13 minutes", according to Google maps, from Sulphur Springs. As mentioned previously in my "Henry Oliver Roberts" thread, at least two counties were cut out from the original county, so once upon a time it would've been accurate to have called the area something else than it's known today.
Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all 😊
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