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Post by leeb on Mar 31, 2019 11:43:16 GMT -5
Unfortunately that will never happen, there are more holes in brushy's story than a sieve.
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 31, 2019 12:30:08 GMT -5
I too doubt it will ever happen because there are too many interests in preserving the historic myth about Billy's death. But "if" it were to be proven, of course I would be thrilled. As to what should be done? The governor of New Mexico should move promptly to issue the pardon Brushy requested. And Ft. Sumner would have to change the description of Billy's alleged gravesite and the marker that shows where he was killed. They could keep those in place but just change the name to Billy Barlow. And Pat Garrett should be posthumously convicted of conspiracy to cover up the mistake of having killed the wrong man. Or what ever crime applies to his cover up.
I'm pretty sure this message board would stay up as folks would still want to pursue more information about Brushy's (Billy's) activities after 1881.
As to what really "would" happen? Not much, unfortunately. Those who have for so long refused to give Brushy a fair hearing would continue to deny, deny, deny in the face of whatever "proof" had been revealed. Wait, I can imagine only one scenario where they might actually accept the proof. A letter from Pat Garrett could be discovered with verifiable provenance where he confesses that he shot the wrong man that night in Ft. Sumner. That might do it?
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Post by leeb on Mar 31, 2019 13:43:43 GMT -5
I too doubt it will ever happen because there are too many interests in preserving the historic myth about Billy's death. But "if" it were to be proven, of course I would be thrilled. As to what should be done? The governor of New Mexico should move promptly to issue the pardon Brushy requested. And Ft. Sumner would have to change the description of Billy's alleged gravesite and the marker that shows where he was killed. They could keep those in place but just change the name to Billy Barlow. And Pat Garrett should be posthumously convicted of conspiracy to cover up the mistake of having killed the wrong man. Or what ever crime applies to his cover up. I'm pretty sure this message board would stay up as folks would still want to pursue more information about Brushy's (Billy's) activities after 1881. As to what really "would" happen? Not much, unfortunately. Those who have for so long refused to give Brushy a fair hearing would continue to deny, deny, deny in the face of whatever "proof" had been revealed. Wait, I can imagine only one scenario where they might actually accept the proof. A letter from Pat Garrett could be discovered with verifiable provenance where he confesses that he shot the wrong man that night in Ft. Sumner. That might do it? Wayne, Billy Barlow isn't a real person, never was and never has been?
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Post by leeb on Mar 31, 2019 13:55:30 GMT -5
Years ago, I did a thread in which I asked the question of how people would react if it was conclusively proven that BTK died in 1881. I now ask the question; let's say, evidence came up conclusively, either a re-evaluation of the evidence, DNA testing, or something other that proved Brushy Bill Roberts was indeed the famous outlaw, how would you react? What do you think should be done, if this came to be proven? I would like to know everyone's thoughts, especially Mr. Wayne Land. From this board you may well know that i own a banknote that was supposedly removed from the body of the kid As I've said before the typed letter with the note has been tested and is consistent with the kids death. It also has a gum paper repair and is in a makeshift frame. I'm more than prepared to offer it for DNA testing if ever the need arises. Of course with no provenance it's only second guesses.
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Post by lacowboy on Mar 31, 2019 14:01:03 GMT -5
[/quote]Wayne, Billy Barlow isn't a real person, never was and never has been?[/quote]
Neither was William H. Bonney just a maid up name a real person used for a time.
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Post by leeb on Mar 31, 2019 14:21:05 GMT -5
William H Bonney used by a Real Person. Billy Barlow a complete enigma, think you answered your own reply!!
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Post by lacowboy on Mar 31, 2019 15:49:55 GMT -5
William H Bonney used by a Real Person. Billy Barlow a complete enigma, think you answered your own reply!! My statement is a proven fact. Yours is only an opinion.
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Post by mckinley412 on Mar 31, 2019 23:36:07 GMT -5
It's already been proven that there was a Billy Barlow that had dark skin,close to the same age, living in Texas that never appears in any census after 1880 or 1870.
What do I think would happen if they proved Brushy was The Kid? : 50% of Billy fans would be ok and maybe a greater percentage of the ones that don't know would be ok with it. And then there would be a lot of butt hurt experts, the same ones that came forward and claimed the croquet photo wasn't him and now it appears they are changing their minds. And the EXPERTS that get paid lots of money to keep their reputation as being EXPERTS will slowly start looking into Brushy more. And then they will see. Everyone will visit New Mexico just as much in the long run but there would be a short splurge of people visiting Texas also. Mostly nothing would change except the famous EXPERTS might get their ego hurt, but they had a chance to look into it more and they didn't. Frederick Nolan even said that Brushy's story sounded good until he saw the family tree. That right there made me think ..... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by leeb on Apr 2, 2019 12:53:41 GMT -5
It's already been proven that there was a Billy Barlow that had dark skin,close to the same age, living in Texas that never appears in any census after 1880 or 1870. What do I think would happen if they proved Brushy was The Kid? : 50% of Billy fans would be ok and maybe a greater percentage of the ones that don't know would be ok with it. And then there would be a lot of butt hurt experts, the same ones that came forward and claimed the croquet photo wasn't him and now it appears they are changing their minds. And the EXPERTS that get paid lots of money to keep their reputation as being EXPERTS will slowly start looking into Brushy more. And then they will see. Everyone will visit New Mexico just as much in the long run but there would be a short splurge of people visiting Texas also. Mostly nothing would change except the famous EXPERTS might get their ego hurt, but they had a chance to look into it more and they didn't. Frederick Bean even said that Brushy's story sounded good until he saw the family tree. That right there made me think ..... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by leeb on Apr 2, 2019 12:57:43 GMT -5
If you don't mind me asking, what Experts have you had conversations with, I'm intrigued to know ?
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Post by nmjames on Apr 2, 2019 19:33:46 GMT -5
mckinley412:
I don't know about being an Expert and I wouldn't be butt hurt but I am one of the ones that say the croquet photo is not Billy the Kid and still say it.
nmjames
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Post by leeb on Apr 3, 2019 14:32:35 GMT -5
I think there's quite a few things wrong with the photo but it all depends on who's backing it. I've been told by certain people that provenance is essential and if you haven't got it then forget it. Bit strange that they back the croquet photo which has none whatsoever, double standards!
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Post by mckinley412 on Apr 4, 2019 0:47:25 GMT -5
Hi Leeb, did I say I talked to Experts? I don't think I did, but if you are asking me about people I spoke with, first I want to say, True Westdotcom published all of the expert's opinion online so You could see all of them knocking the Croquet pic, like a list of 20 of them or something, I don't remember, all famous guys, maybe you were one of them, I guess they are changing their minds too as time goes on. I've chatted with Frederick Nolan online but the conversation ended with him saying that Brushy's story held up well until the family tree part and then I guess that is why he doesn't talk about it any further. I've spoke with 4 Brushy authors. (I count Brushy authors as the guys that really know what's going on) Idk, I spoke with two others that I don't count, they aren't so-called experts (just debunkers). NMjames is daaaammmnn good and better than most "experts" but authors don't like to chat much, that's maybe why you don't want to trust them, big shot authors have money to lose if they say something wrong, but NMjames is NOT an author, so maybe that is why he joins discussions but he's daaaammnn good tooo... shame he isn't on Brushy's side, but a very valuable resource to have with us.
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Post by nmjames on Apr 5, 2019 22:54:46 GMT -5
mckinley412:
Thank you for you kind words. I will PM you sometime and tell you the reason I got on this site.
nmjames.
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Post by Sam Fraser on Apr 15, 2019 11:12:42 GMT -5
No one else?
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