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Post by Texas Truth Teller on May 15, 2018 18:04:37 GMT -5
Gauss was present according to most, if not all, accounts of the escape when Bell and Olinger were killed. Gottfried Gauss, born in Wurtemberg, Germany, was a cook. His surname, Gauss, is often spelled incorrectly. Gauss assisted Billy the Kid when he tried to remove his shackles.
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“The Authentic Life of Billy the Kid”, p. 129, published 1882, Garrett
“He was still encumbered with his shackles, but hailing old man Geiss, he commanded him to bring a file. Geiss did so, and threw it up to him in the window. The Kid then ordered the old man to go and saddle a horse that was in the stable, the property of Billy Burt, Deputy Clerk of Probate, then went to a front window commanding a view of the street, seated himself and filed the shackles from one leg.”
******************************************* “The Lincoln County Leader, March 1890”, G. Gauss
“You go, “he said, and saddle one of Judge Leonard’s horses, and I will clear out as soon as I can have the shackles loosened from my legs”. With a little prospecting pick I had thrown to him through the window he was working for at least an hour, and could not accomplish more than to free one leg, and he came to the conclusion to await a better chance, the one shackle to his waist-belt, and start out. Meanwhile I had saddled a small skittish pony belonging to Billy Burt, as there was no other horse available, and had also, by Billy’s command, tied a pair of red blankets behind the saddle. “
*************************** “The Saga of Billy the Kid”, p.251, published 1926, Burns
“Old Man Goss, the cook, had locked himself in the jail kitchen. The Kid rapped at the door. Shaking with fear, the old man opened it.
‘Don’t be scared, Goss’, said the Kid. ‘Any man who can cook ham and eggs like you is safe with me. Get an axe and chop the chain of these leg irons in two.’
Goss brought an axe from the woodpile.
‘Don’t make any mis-strokes’ cautioned Billy, swinging a six-shooter carelessly close to Goss’s head.’”
************************** Brushy Bill’s Alternate Facts, “Alias Billy the Kid”, p. 71, published 1955, Sonnichsen
“I went downstairs and out the side door at the bottom of the stairs where old man Goss and someone else were standing near Bell’s body. I told Goss to cut the chain between my legs. He tried to cut it with a saw. I told him to get the axe and cut it. And be damn careful where you hit that chain. I held a .44 on him. He cut the chain as I stood over a rock. I took and tied each end of the chain to my belt so I could straddle a horse. Goss caught the horse behind the jail in the pasture. He and the Gallegos boy saddled the horse and took him to the front of the jail”
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Post by Wayne Land on May 15, 2018 19:30:51 GMT -5
Interesting. So you have a version by Pat Garrett who was not present at the time and a version printed in the paper "9 years" after the event which does not mention the axe (possibly because Gauss didn't want to admit he had personally, physically, helped the kid get free!) And you have a version by Burns, who claimed he got his information from interviews with people who were there. And you have Brushy's version. I think you are suggesting Brushy's version is wrong. Sorry to inform you but you have no proof he got it wrong. It is likely, in my opinion, that there was both an axe "and" a file used. The axe was used to cut the chain and the file was an attempt to get the shackles off. Garrett wasn't there and Gauss may well have failed to include all the details of what happened when he is talking about it 9 years later. In fact, are you sure those are Gauss's exact words that were printed in the paper in 1890? Newspapers are full of incomplete and inaccurate quotes.
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Post by montanas on May 16, 2018 9:15:58 GMT -5
Of all the accounts, brushy's just sounds more realistic. He also mentions Gallegos.
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Post by clydec on May 16, 2018 11:23:31 GMT -5
Severo Gallegos confirmed brushy's account to Morrison when he interviewed him before he met Brushy!
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on May 16, 2018 11:29:59 GMT -5
Wayne, you are correct. Neither Pat Garrett nor Ash Upson was present when Billy the Kid escaped. Brushy Bill described many incredible adventures, and not a single one has been confirmed with credible evidence. Brushy Bill’s story is just that, a story, not a proven fact. Gauss was present when Bell and Olinger was killed.
The Lincoln County Leader, Saturday, March 1, 1890
Reminiscenses -of- Lincoln County -and- White Oaks ——— NO. XIV ——— by G. Gauss ——— You promised to the readers of your Leader that I would tell all I knew about the escape of Billy the Kid from the county jail at Lincoln after killing the two deputy sheriffs. I would have done so long before this had I not slightly indisposed during the holidays. It is certainly singular during my long life, I have , since I can remember generally about Christmas time, been afflicted with the same symptoms, and as I am not the only sufferer, but all my acquaintances generally complain of a like indisposition that this Christmas distemper was over 1800 years ago imported from the Orient by the three wise men who came to adore the Jesus child, and that it has followed the Christians who celebrate properly, wherever they go. The disease is happily not in the least dangerous. If any man is fool enough to contact his family physician the doctor is very apt to inform him the he is similarly affected and that the only medicine he himself takes and that he would advise others to takes i Spts, Vin. Gall. in small and often repeated does, to be well shaken before taken. If you are moderate in taking your medicine the disease will leave as soon as the holidays are over. That I am right in the theory that the Christmas distemper was imported from the East nobody will dispute who takes into consideration that Asiatic Cholera, Influenza, or La Grippe, and perhaps many other infirmities human flesh is heir to, travel from East to West - Speaking of the grippe, I hope Providence will preserve out statesmen in Washington in such manner that Congress may continue in working order and enabled to pass at least the most pressing law, for instance, to reimburse the members who were robbed by the Democratic rascal, Silcott, and a pension law to divide the surplus in the Treasury among veterans, their widows and descendants.
But I have been digressing, as I started in only to tell of the escape of Billy the Kid.
Once upon a time, it was if I mistake not, in the month of April 1880, 1881, or perhaps 1882, whilst Mr. Sam. Wortley, the now possessor of a rich coal mine at Salado, and myself, were raising a vegetable garden behind the court house at Lincoln, that Billy the Kid was brought back from Dona Ana County, where he was traced for murder, and sentenced to be hanged in Lincoln. About a week after the date I am writing about, he killed his two keepers and escaped. As the County had no jail then, he was kept under guard in the upper story of the courthouse. Sam, and myself lived in a house together, behind the court house. That memorable day I went out of my room, whence I had gone to light my pipe, and was crossing the yard behind the court house when I heard a shot fired, a tussle up stairs in the courthouse, somebody hurrying down stairs, and deputy sheriff Bell emerging from the door running toward me. He ran right into my arms, expired the same moment, and I laid him down, dead. That I was in a hurry to secure assistance, perhaps to save myself, everybody will believe.
When I arrived at the garden gate leading to the street, in front of he court house, I saw the other deputy sheriff, Olinger, coming out of the hotel opposite, with the other four or five county prisoners where they had taken their dinner. I called to him to come quick. He did so, leaving the prisoners in front of the hotel. When he had come close up to me, and while standing not more than a yard apart, I told him that I was just after laying Bell dead on the ground in the yard behind, and before he could reply, he was struck by a well directed shot fired from a window above us, and fell dead at my feet.
I ran for my life to reach my room and safety, when Billy he Kid called to me, “Don’t run - I wouldn’t hurt you - I am alone and master, not only of the court house, but also of the town, for I will allow nobody to come near us. You go, “he said, and saddle one of Judge Leonard’s horses, and I will clear out as soon as I can have the shackles loosened from my legs”. With a little prospecting pick I had thrown to him through the window he was working for at least an hour, and could not accomplish more than to free one leg, and he came to the conclusion to await a better chance, the one shackle to his waist-belt, and start out. Meanwhile I had saddled a small skittish pony belonging to Billy Burt, as there was no other horse available, and had also, by Billy’s command, tied a pair of red blankets behind the saddle. I came near forgetting to say, that whilst I was busy saddling, and Mr. Billy Kid trying hard to get his shackles off, my partner, Mr. Sam Wortley, appeared in the door leading from the garden where he had been at work, into the yard, and that when he saw the two sheriffs lying dead he did not know whether to go in or retreat, but on the assurance of Billy the Kid that he would not harm him he went in and made himself generally useful.
When Billy went down stairs at last, on passing the body of Bell, he said, “I’m sorry I had to kill him, but couldn’t help it.” On passing the body of Olinger, he gave him a tip with his boot, saying “You are not going to round me up again”.
We went out together where I had tied up the pony, and he told me to tell the owner of same, Billy Burt, that he would send it back next day. I, for my part, didn’t much believe the promise, but, sure enough, next morning, the pony arrived, safe and sound, trailing a long lariat at the court house in Lincoln.
And so Billy the Kid started out that evening, after having had a little difficulty in mounting on account of the shackle on his leg, he went on his way rejoicing. That he was afterwards killed at Ft. Sumner by Pat Garret is known to everybody.
In conclusion I would like to say, that I have lately seen an article in a newspaper in which Mr. Pat. Garret is said to have expressed himself that whenever a friend introduced him to a stranger, the latter will generally reply, “Ah, very glad to get acquainted Mr. Garrett—you are the man who killed Billy the Kid,” and therefore he often wishes that Billy had gotten the better of him. It is possible, and does it not look very much like it , the Mr. Pat. Garrett is sorry for having killed Billy—perhaps his conscience troubles him. If this should be the case I will tell him one way thru’ which he may find a little consolation. Let him turn over to Sam. Wortley and myself half of the money he made by killing Billy the Kid, let him join a church no matter of what denomination, and we will promise to take on our shoulders half of his sin, if there was any committed, and in the bargain we promise to intercede for him on “the other side of Jordan,” and use our long comings on the sphere.
This bargain Mr. Garret should be very willing to make with us, as had we done our duty, as some ignorant people say to this day, and have killed Billy the Kid, instead of getting him get away, he would love have had the precious game, for killing of which he pocketed such a big pile of lucre, and also, it might tranquilly his conscience to some degree.
In regard to the guilt or innocence of Billy the Kid I will here state, that Billy himself, in many conversations I had with him during the two or three years I was acquainted with him prior to his death, never denied hat he was in the habit of stealing cattle from John Chisum of Roswell, against whom he professed to have a claim, for wages I believe, which Chisum refused to pay, and he was determined to secure himself. He always said to e that he had never killed anybody, and would never do so except in self defense. A couple of years before his tragic end he told me that during the time he was an outlaw in the Capitan Mountains too of Pat. Garret’s deputy who tried to round him up were once in partnership with him stealing cattle from John Chishum.
I do not now recollect for what murder Billy the Kid was tried and sentenced to death, but let tell your readers that the late Judge Leonard, who defended him at his trial in Dona Ana County, often told me that he was condemned by a prejudiced jury, solely because his name was Billy the Kid, under which name many heinous crimes had bee committed by Mexicans and outlaws from Texas and other States imported to this county, not by Billy the Kid, but by the principal of the then fighting two parties which contest was Called the “Lincoln County War”, and left innumerable graves all over the county.
Who will blame Billy the Kid for killing his two guards at the time of his escape from Lincoln, whilst he himself was to be hung up the week following. This is the only murder I know of Billy ever committing. I did not blame him then. I don’t blame him now.
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Post by Wayne Land on May 16, 2018 13:44:15 GMT -5
Excellent reading TTT. Thanks so much for sharing that. My impressions are that it includes much verbiage that old man Gauss would not have used. I strongly suspect this was written by someone else after "possibly" interviewing Gauss. Someone was trying hard to use big words to make the writing sound more emphatic. I don't believe Gauss would have spoken that way or written that way, assuming he even had the ability to read and write. I think not a lot of people did in the 1880's. We see words like "indisposed", "singular", "indisposition", "emerging", etc. And among other things there are a couple of parts of the story that don't seem to jive.
He says he caught Bell in his arms, and then hurries to the front of the courthouse where he sees Olinger coming out of the Wortley. He calls out to him and then Olinger comes across the street where he's standing and suddenly is hit by a "well directed" shot from the window above them. He mentions nothing about Billy shouting down at Olinger. I doubt he was standing there next to Olinger as he says because if he was, he would have heard Billy call down and certainly would have mentioned it. It is also difficult to accept that he was able to lay Bell down and get to the front of the courthouse before Olinger even came out of the hotel. Didn't Olinger come out because he heard the shot. It would seem to me he would have been at least halfway across the street by the time Gauss got around to the front of the court house.
Even though he seems to be trying to provide a detailed description of how it all happened, he says nothing about Billy walking out onto the porch and shouting at the people on the street. I read elsewhere that he was on the balcony for quite some time, yet Gauss says nothing about it. I'm not suggesting Gauss lied to anyone about how it happened. I'm suggesting there are reasons to doubt whether this is an accurate reporting of what Gauss said. If it is not, then who knows what parts of it are accurate?
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Post by wannabe12 on May 16, 2018 21:13:29 GMT -5
newmexicohistory.org/people/escape-of-the-kid-reconsideredEscape of “the Kid” Reconsidered By John P. Wilson In its 11 May 1881 issue, the Santa Fe Daily New Mexican included the following intriguing paragraph regarding Billy the Kid: “Newman’s Semi-Weekly gives a long account of the Kid and his career, which is not very complimentary to the subject of the story. Some of the incidents narrated are thrilling enough for a dime novel.”[1] If the writer only knew how prophetic his words would be. Followers of Billy the Kid in recent times can only regret that there is no known surviving copy of the Las Cruces, NM paper, titled variously Newman’s Semi-Weekly, Newman’s Thirty-Four, and by several other names, beyond the 20 April 1881 number. The lost account must have appeared in an issue between late April and early May; the paper itself continued until sometime in late July, as shown by quotations from it that appeared in exchange newspapers, after which time the proprietor changed the name again and removed his place of publication to nearby El Paso, Texas. The only hope for finding a version of this story is probably as a reprint in another newspaper, undiscovered somewhere. In its extant issues, Newman’s publication regularly reported the Kid’s activities. One ‘lost’ account from Newman’s Semi-Weekly did appear as a reprint, in the 14 May 1881 Supplement to The New Southwest and Grant County Herald, a new title in Silver City, New Mexico.[2] The issue of Newman’s journal that published this originally was not cited, but it obviously followed the young outlaw’s escape from the Lincoln County Courthouse on 28 April 1881. The article itself was mostly about his escape and while published anonymously, a guess as to its author is Sam Corbet, a regular source on events in Lincoln at this period. In his book Billy the Kid: A Short and Violent Life, historian Robert Utley considered this and many other sources in his reconstruction of the 28 April drama in Lincoln[3]. Utley’s analysis was through and he gave special weight to seemingly firsthand sources, especial the White Oaks, New Mexico Golden Era of 5 May 1881 (as reprinted in the White Oaks Eagle, 14 February 1901); the account in the Silver City paper on 14 May 1881; Godfrey Gauss’ description in the Lincoln County Leader, 1 March 1890; and John P. Meadows’ recollection in his 1936 newspaper article.[4] While written in the fall of 1881, Sheriff Pat Garrett’s account is a second-hand one.[5] Frederick Nolan, biographer of Billy the Kid, was mostly caught up in his own theories as to what may have happened at the courthouse, and less inclined to rely on source materials.[6] The Gauss and Meadows accounts were written long after the events and the White Oaks version, while contemporary, is actually second-hand. Lincoln at the time had no newspaper. As Utley concluded, these circumstances have left the Silver City paper’s article, which is both contemporary and first-hand, deserving of special mention. It was highly descriptive, well-written and included details not found elsewhere. The only access to a copy publically has been via an old University of New Mexico Library microfilm of The New Southwest and Grant County Herald (1881-1882). The difficulty of finding this film and viewing the article suggests that it would be a service to reprint the article uncut for modern readers. As noted above, I believe the writer was probably Sam Corbet, who should have made a reliable witness. The misspellings are in the original. * * * * * The following letter, originally published in Newman’s Semi Weekly, furnishes the particulars of the escape of Henry McCarty, alias, Henry Antrin, alias, Billy Bonney, alias “The Kid,” who was convicted of murder in the first degree, at the last Mesilla term of court, and had been taken to Lincoln County to be executed. Lincoln, N.M., April 20. Dear Sir: Kid killed his guard, Bob Olinger and deputy Sheriff J.W. Bell, last night and made his escape. It happened as follows: Kid was kept as a prisoner in the southeast corner room of the Murphy building. He had on the shackles and handcuffs he wore when he came here. The handcuffs were off from one hand and his hands were really free. Bob Olinger left about 6 p.m. to go to supper and left Kid alone with Bell. He and the others who went to supper had just got into Sam Wortley’s place and sat down to the table when they heard three shots fired from the building. Bob Olinger jumping up from the table, said “they are having a fight over there,” started in the lead and ran over to the building. Just as he entered the gate Kid discharged Olinger’s double-barreled shot gun at him, delivering the contents of both barrels into his head and breast, killing him instantly, and Olinger fell right in front of the post office door, the office occupied by Ben Ellis. It seems Kid had struck Bell over the head with the handcuffs and back of the ear also, breaking his skull and stunning him and then grabbing from Bell his revolver; and Bell, after partially recovering from the effects of the blow, started to run out of the hall and down stairs and Kid fired a shot at him which passed under Bell’s arms and clear through his body. Bell ran towards the kitchen and old man Goss was just coming out of it and Bell fell into his arms and expired without a word. Ellis and myself had started for supper before Olinger and the others had left. We board at Rob Ellis’ father’s, and had got down the street as far as La Rue’s store when we heard firing. As I looked back I thought the smoke came from west of the building and that perhaps it was some Mexicans firing up above the office and paid no attention to it but went on to supper. After we had returned and got to Capt. Baca’s we learned what had been done. Kid was then on the porch of the building with Olinger’s shot gun, a Winchester and two revolvers, holding the fort and keeping any person from going to town, saying he would shoot the first man who started to give any alarm. He leveled the Winchester on old man Goss and made him saddle a pony that was in the corral and go into my room and take the blankets off from the bed. Pat Garrett had stored arms which he had taken from the Tularosa prisoners, four guns and four revolvers. Kid broke the door in and took two revolvers, four belts of cartridges, and a new Winchester. When Goss led the horse out of the corral he let him go, and Kid ordered Nunnelly, one of the prisoners, to catch him and return him and help him on. He had broken one shakle on his leg; so his legs were free, except the chain and shackle was yet attached to the one leg. It was more than an hour, after he killed Olinger and Bell, before he left. He had at his command eight revolvers and six guns. He stood on the upper porch in front of the building and talked with the people who were in Wortley’s, but would not let anyone come towards him. He told the people that he did not want to kill Bell but, as he ran, he had to. He said he grabbed Bell’s revolver and told him to hold up his hands and surrender; that Bell started to run and he had to kill him. He declared he was “standing pat” against the world; and, while he did not wish to kill anybody, if anybody interfered with his attempt to escape he would kill him. After he had got all ready to leave the building he took Bob Olinger’s double-barreled shot gun and broke it into pieces by striking it across the railing of the porch and then threw the pieces down on Olinger’s dead body and said “here is your gun, G—d d—n you! You won’t follow me with it any longer.” He then took off his handcuffs and threw them at the dead body of Bell, saying “here, G--d d--n you! Take them! I guess you won’t put them on me again. Just at dark he mounted and rode to a Mexican house a few hundred yards off and bought a rope and said “Boys, I don’t know these mountains,” and started off through the bottom and struck for the Capitans. It is said he made violent threats against those whom he considers have injured him and that he said he did not consider he had been bad heretofore but would let people know hereafter what it is to be a bad man. When he rode off, he went on a walk, and every act, from beginning to end, seemed to have been placed and executed with the coolest deliberation. I have understood that he had said he would give Judge Bristol, Judge Newcomb and Col. Rynerson a round up; but so many things are being told of him that it is hard to tell what he has said. The old feeling of dread and fear has come back upon us again and it is hard to tell what the end will be. At the time this occurred, Sheriff Garret was at White Oaks on a collecting tour. The Sheriff and his posse have been warned time and again about using the utmost caution, but no avail. Only two days ago Olinger left his revolver loose on the table in front of Kid, and if a person had not taken it Kid would then undoubtedly have made a break. I have several times cautioned Olinger and he has replied that, as far as Kid’s getting away was concerned, he had just as soon he had on no irons – he could not get away from him. His over-confidence in himself has been the means of his own destruction, as well as robbing the gallows of its victim. It is a great misfortune and one that will tell seriously against us. I have about abandoned the hope that Lincoln will ever come out of her condition of lawlessness. [1]. The Daily New Mexican, 11 May 1881, p. 4 col. 1. [2]. Supplement to The New Southwest and Grant County Herald, 14 May 1881, p. 1 cols. 1-2. [3]. Robert M. Utley, Billy the Kid: A Short and Violent Life (Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1989), 179-85, 261-65. [4]. White Oaks Eagle, 14 Feb. 19901, as transcribed by Edith L. Crawford, New Mexico WPA records; also Supplement to the New Southwest and Grant County Herald, 14 May 1881; Lincoln County Leader, 1 March 1890; John P. Wilson, Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid As I Knew Them; Reminiscences of John P, Meadows. (Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 2004), 47-51. [5]. Pat F. Garrett, The Authentic Life of Billy the Kid (Santa Fe: New Mexican Printing and Publishing Co., 1882). [6]. Frederick Nolan, The West of Billy the Kid (Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 1998), 271-77, 323-24.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on May 16, 2018 21:24:55 GMT -5
In the words of Sonnichsen in Chapter 8, page 97, of “Alias Billy the Kid” as he discussed Brushy Bill’s wild and wooly narrative, “Much of it may be fiction”.
Sonnichsen’s closing question on page 133, “And that brings up the final question, — if Brushy Bill Roberts wasn’t Billy the Kid, who was he?”
That question was answered when Brushy Bill registered for the WWI draft as Oliver Pleasant Roberts, and provided the birth day of Oliver P. Roberts, son of Henry Oliver Roberts and Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson.
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Post by Wayne Land on May 16, 2018 23:58:35 GMT -5
"Much of it may be fiction" - Much doesn't mean most or majority, but rather a substantial amount. That leaves the majority of it being non fiction. "Who was he" - I think you know as well as I do that Sonnichsen was suggesting Brushy really was Billy The Kid because it seemed unlikely he was anyone else. The information on the draft was a lie.
As for the article, I must quote "After we had returned and got to Capt. Baca’s we learned what had been done." In other words the rest of the article is a description based on what the writer had "learned", not what they had witnessed. We don't even know who he's saying he learned it from. Strictly "hearsay". Brushy, on the other hand, was an eyewitness.
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Post by wannabe12 on May 17, 2018 7:08:24 GMT -5
Wayne,
It can not be stated as fact that Brushy was an eyewitness to the events that day. It may be your opinion but never proven. I don't recall exactly , I will go back and re-read it today, but didn't Brushy state he shot Bell while he ran away from him down the stairs??, he never says anything about the struggle that Gauss heard, a statement Jameson and Sedarwall use as evidence to go along with the large amount of blood at the top of the stairs, not going down the stairs. Wasn't it in Brushy's version that he slid across the floor and shot Bell from behind as he tried to run?? This matches the statement supposedly made by Billy when he claimed to have killed Buckshot Roberts at Blazer's Mill, discounting the reports that he just died after the regulators rode away. A lot can be said about that day, and who may or may not have seen what, it is for a certain fact the only three people who know what happened are long since dead.
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Post by MissyS on May 17, 2018 9:08:11 GMT -5
wannabe12, On another thread: W C Jameson's new book you posted that you believe that Garrett would have been in such a state that he may not remember everything he did, because he was trying in his mind to keep from being killed. I wont copy or quote all of the post, I just wanted to point out that if this is true, then why can't it be true for Brushy as well? Being in those gun battles with Buckshot Roberts, and trying to escape with his life, he may have been in a state like Garrett, where things happened quickly and he may not have been able to remember everything clearly, and he was 90 yrs old also.
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May 17, 2018 9:54:32 GMT -5
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Post by wannabe12 on May 17, 2018 9:54:32 GMT -5
Missy,
It’s entirely possible for Brushy to leave certain facts out of what happened during the altercation with Bell, but he says nothing about being on the balcony after killing both Bell and Olinger, he wasn’t in fear for his life from Olinger since he pretty much killed him from ambush, I don’t believe he said “hello bob” before he killed him, Brushy claims he said something else but I can’t remember the exact wording right off, and really doesn’t say much else of what he did before he left Lincoln.
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Shackles
May 17, 2018 10:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by wannabe12 on May 17, 2018 10:52:40 GMT -5
As for the fight at Blazers Mill Brushy never claimed to have killed Buckshot as Billy is supposed to have done. If he killed Roberts it seems he would have at least mentioned it or remembered that he as Billy claimed to have been the one , and not Bowdre. Garrett even in a state of fight or flight never left out the part where he killed Billy.
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Shackles
May 17, 2018 11:18:34 GMT -5
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Post by wannabe12 on May 17, 2018 11:18:34 GMT -5
As he came near the corner of the building beneath my window, I leveled down on him and shouted, “Look up, Bob. I want to shoot you in the face with your own buckshot. I don’t want to shoot you in the back like you did other men and the Jones boy”. So Olinger stood there, didn’t try to move or avoid being shot at all while Brushy recited this. “Hello Bob” is more believable and like I said earlier I don’t think Billy said a word he just killed Olinger.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on May 17, 2018 11:34:47 GMT -5
“The information on the draft was a lie.”
An opinion not based on facts. These are facts: Oliver P. Roberts and his parents were residents of Van Zandt County in 1910. O. P. Roberts married Anna Lee in 1909, and divorced her in 1910. Oliver Roberts married Mollie Brown in 1912. Oliver Pleasant Roberts registered for the WWI draft in 1918 when he lived in Arkinda, Little River County, Arkansas. Oliver Pleasant Roberts said he was born 26 August 1879, the same day that the son of Henry Oliver Roberts and Sarah Elizabeth Roberts was born. The parents of Oliver P. Roberts lived in Arkinda, Little River County, Arkansas, when the 1920 census was recorded.
Brushy Bill did not tell Morrison that one of his aliases was Oliver P. Roberts.
The information on the WWI draft card is correct.
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