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Post by MissyS on Feb 21, 2018 21:43:32 GMT -5
Ok the board is a little slow, so I thought I would post this photo, I seen this photo printed in a publications about the old west and in a book ; "The True Story of Billy The Kid" by Hamlin, well it's ID'd as being Billy The Kid written on the photo as well as all the other men in line with him their names have been ID'd above their image, I don't know where the photo came from? , and Im not implying it's him. I dont know the age?, however an age of the photo can be determined if the other men identified can be researched as to when they were a Texas Ranger, the book by Hamlin was printed in 1959 so the photo had to have been around at that time or before? Sorry if unclear its light.
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Post by MissyS on Feb 21, 2018 21:53:00 GMT -5
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Post by montanas on Feb 22, 2018 11:06:17 GMT -5
Interesting. Sure wish there was better clarity.
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Post by MissyS on Feb 22, 2018 14:12:15 GMT -5
Montana's, I agree, the image was so light that its difficult to make out alot of detail, sadly, but I thought it interesting so I posted it anyways, I also thought it interesting because Brushy mentioned in "The Lost Interviews" about having a cousin that was on the Ranger force that helped him and others by giving them food after being on the run for 13 days when they crossed the Rio Grande.
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Post by nmjames on Feb 22, 2018 21:38:38 GMT -5
The picture was in a California Newspaper from 1950, It was said to belong to a man by the name of Kenneth Gogan who's mother's uncle was Emry Pettit who is in the picture. The names of the men in the picture are George Skelton, Jim Glen, Ken Hope, Frank Rundle, Wild Jack, Ed Good, Emry Pettit and Billy the Kid.
nmjames
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Post by nmjames on Feb 22, 2018 23:10:25 GMT -5
I looked back at the picture and article and it states the picture was taken in 1878 but it couldn't have been taken in 1878. The Ranger second from the left, Jim Glen, is holding a Colt Lighting Pump Rifle and they were not made until 1884.
nmjames
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Post by MissyS on Feb 23, 2018 12:10:27 GMT -5
nmjames, Thank you for your observations, and information you added about the photo, Im glad origins of it are now known. Im posting the left side of the photo so all the men and the rifle your refering to can be seen.
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Post by clydec on Feb 23, 2018 18:30:17 GMT -5
I use to have a good clear version of this photo Missy. I will see if I can find it.
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Post by MissyS on Feb 23, 2018 21:12:14 GMT -5
clydec, Thank You, for posting the clearer photo , its much more clearer, i can now see more detail of the rifles , and even more detail of the faces, I don't see a badge?, but I guess they didn't always wear one?
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Post by clydec on Feb 28, 2018 9:24:27 GMT -5
Your welcome Missy. It's not Billy the kid in the photo. This photo had to be taken well after the kid was either killed or escaped because one of the rifles being displayed in the picture was not even manufactured until after that date.
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Post by MissyS on Feb 28, 2018 11:20:37 GMT -5
I was thinking he may possibly could be Brushy?
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Post by clydec on Feb 28, 2018 12:55:42 GMT -5
The height is about right, but it's not him.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Mar 1, 2018 17:35:59 GMT -5
There is a photograph of 4 men on page 157 of "The West of Billy the Kid", by Frederick Nolan in 1931. The following information about the was provided: The photo is labeled, "Seven Rivers Men". Date and photographer unknown, 1870s; the original is a tintype. R. N. Mullin Collection. The men were identified by Eve Ball, to whom the photograph was given by the Jones family, as rear, left to right, JIM JONES and MARION F. TURNER; seated, left to right, BOB SPEAKES AND JOHN JONES. Others believe the man at front left is Buck Powell.
The identical photo is on page 12 of "Billy the Kid, An Autobiography", by Daniel A Edwards, 2014. The photo is labeled, 'At the end of the cattle trail'. The caption reads, "Copy of the tintype Brushy referenced that was made in Dodge City in the fall of 1877". The four men are identified, left to right, as Jim Jones, Bob Speakes (trail boss), John Jones, and Billy the Kid.
Edwards provided no provenance, no proof that the photo was made in 1877, no proof that the photo was made in Dodge City, no proof that Billy the Kid was in the photo. Edwards failed to explain who identified the subjects. Edwards failed to credit prior publication of the photo. Edwards failed to explain how MARION F. TURNER became Brushy Bill.
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Post by MissyS on Mar 2, 2018 5:31:23 GMT -5
Texas Truth Teller, interesting that the same photogragh is also in the book "The True Story of Billy The Kid" by William Lee Hamlin and under the photo it reads (Photograph obtained from a Spanish- American family for a concideration, They valued it because the "Keed" was a member of the group. Among them he was a family tradition. The other hard-looking characters pictured here are not identified.), it doesn't say Billy is actually pictured in the group or points him out, but I believe the way it's worded that it can give the idea that Billy or the "Keed" is in the photo, this book was published in 1959, Interesting that this book also has a drawing of the famous tintype of Billy standing with his rifle weve seen so often but it's a drawing and says that it's a very doubtful reproduction of an alleged photogragh of the "Kid" and that diligent search has failed to produce the authentic photogragh as alleged. So at the time this book was published apparently the famous Billy the Kid photo was being searched for? I wanted to add that Im not saying it's not Billy or it is in that photo of the four men, but I have seen that photo identified as him before.
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Post by clydec on Mar 2, 2018 20:47:58 GMT -5
That is the photo that was brought out by the Jones family when Brushy went to visit them during his time with Morrison in 1949 I believe and Brushy correctly identified everyone in that photo including himself and the Jones family said that he was correct.
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