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Post by brianthedude on Mar 20, 2012 18:58:27 GMT -5
I've found one more alleged to be Billy the Kid, cropped from pg. 238 of "Jesse James Was One of His Names" by Howk and Del Shrader:
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 21, 2012 2:07:36 GMT -5
I don't believe this could be BTK. The complete picture includes a young Wyatt Earp and was taken in Dodge City. Billy would not have been old enough to be sporting a thick mustache.
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 21, 2012 12:10:37 GMT -5
Actually I'd seen this photo many times and I understand it was sold in Dodge as a postcard souvenir on the back of which this person was identified as Billy The Kid. Wyatt Earp is in the photo and possibly Bat Masterson and Luke Short, but I don't think that's Billy. I believe it also identifies the man sitting to the camera's left as "Jesse James" but that's not Jesse either. These people have been identified by historians but I don't remember who they are. If I come across that again I'll post the info here.
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Post by nmjames on Mar 21, 2012 18:34:26 GMT -5
Wayne,
I have the old postcard and emailed it to you. The person to his right, you can see his arm in this picture, is Billy Dixon of Adobe Walls. I have been told that all the people in the pictures were at Adobe Walls.
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 22, 2012 0:46:53 GMT -5
nmjames,
Thanks for sending the copy of the postcard. Do you think the person standing at the left side of the photo is Belle Starr? That's what I've been told in the past but thinking outside the box as I often try to do, I once proposed a theory that was met with considerable ridicule and possibly justifiably so. I theorized whether that person might not be a female but rather a young Billy The Kid dressed in a feminine looking shirt and that someone once identified it as such and overtime there was confusion as to which person was alleged to be Billy. I know, it's a bit far out and that does look like a female, but there are some facial traits that compare to Billy and since the photo is not very good resolution, it just might be within the realm of possibility. I'm sure my imagination just ran away with me on this one, but I'm wondering if you agree that's Belle Starr.
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Post by nmjames on Mar 22, 2012 20:08:36 GMT -5
Any time Wayne.
No I don't think the person is Belle Starr. I have read about Belle but have never found where she would have been around Billy Dixon. I have been told that the lady may be Hannah Olds. Her husband William Olds died and is buried at Adobe Walls. If I remember correctly, William fell off the top of a house and died from the fall. Hannah returned to Dodge City but not much is known about her. I have a book on Adobe Walls with pictures of some of the people that were there. Some on the postcard looks like the ones in the book but it would just be a guess.
I don't know why the postcard has Billy the Kid on it, but it may be because they wanted to sell postcards and back in the 40s or 50s not many people knew who Billy Dixon was. Just a guess.
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Post by brianthedude on Mar 24, 2012 18:19:45 GMT -5
Here's the full page, from the "Black Book"
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Post by brianthedude on Mar 24, 2012 18:26:13 GMT -5
No promises that any of those identifications are correct!
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Post by nmjames on Mar 26, 2012 17:44:07 GMT -5
brianthedude,
The man they have as Jesse James is Billy Dixon. They may have Bat Masterson correct but that would be about the only one. If you really want to know, you might contact the Panhandle-Plains Historical Museum in Canyon, TX.
The next time I go up to Canyon, I may take my old postcard and see if they can tell me who the other people are.
The other picture stated as the Capture of Billy the Kid, I feel is of the Hole in The Wall Gang. Butch and some of the boys.
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Post by nmjames on Apr 19, 2012 20:40:30 GMT -5
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Post by nmjames on Apr 19, 2012 20:46:56 GMT -5
I tried the site again but it is not showing the picture of Billy. You will need to go to the True West site.
Sorry!
nmjames
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Post by searcher64 on Apr 26, 2012 14:39:24 GMT -5
And note the similarity to the above image, too! yeah its the same guy 15 years and 20~ lbs later. its that jawline. beautiful horse he's riding there. if brushy's account is reliable, he certainly had opportunity to ride some of the best. these other photos posted after don't have btk in them. the 'las vegas 4' pic on true west we've already talked about at length here earlier. the 'bookwork' on wm henry roberts, at least in post btk times, appears to be substantial and validating, or at least clarifying, if the appropriate searches were to be done. one possible lead: the texas confederate widow's application (denied) from a mrs. j.h. roberts.. found in indexes. i can't remember if from carrolton or taylor but it would probably involve a trip to a specific library. i'd love to check it but im in orygun. could be a longshot but what if it was revealing, its astounding how much info can be contained in those apps sometimes...
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