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Post by leeb on Mar 24, 2020 12:46:28 GMT -5
Leeb, That really shouldn't make any difference. If I flipped the images I'd just have to put the rulers on opposite sides from where they are now and the measurements would stay the same. Thanks for asking though. I think you missed the point Wayne. Leave the rulers exactly where they are now compared to the graphic you used. Rifle measurement to the left and just change billy's image to the left handed image. Your heel and rifle measurement will not match if you draw them across.
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 24, 2020 15:09:26 GMT -5
Sorry, but actually "you" are wrong. Flipping an image horizontally does not change "any" vertical dimensions of anything. The red lines would still intersect the image in the same places. They'd just have to be lengthened so as to reach all the way across to the opposite side of the image.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Mar 24, 2020 15:36:19 GMT -5
Here's my re-created measurement graphic. I make no claim it is perfect. A measurement down to the fraction of an inch is probably not even possible. But I do believe it illustrates there is no way Billy was only 5' 3" tall. I used two rulers overlayed on the photo. Both rulers at the same scale. One measures the rifle including the 13" pull and the 39" overall length. The other measures Billy's height from the bottom of his foot at the heel to the approximate top of his head. For the sake of full disclosure and at the risk that some viewers will only question the result I must also talk about "depth". When an object appears further from a camera it appears smaller. The rifle is being held slightly forward of the center line of Billy's body which means the ruler for the rifle had to be very slightly lengthened to accommodate for that difference. I did that by placing the ruler first at floor level at Billy's heel and then moving it to his toe position, also at the floor, and then lengthening that ruler just slightly so it would reach the same height in both positions. I believe the result is very accurate though probably not perfect. Which doesn't change the fact that Brushy said he was born the same day as Oliver P Roberts, the son of Henry Oliver Roberts and Sarah Elizabeth Ferguson, all of whom were proven residents of Van Zandt County in 1910. Nor does it change the fact that Brushy's birth year was reported as about 1879 in both the 1920 and 1930 census and the WWI draft registration.
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 24, 2020 18:31:50 GMT -5
Broken record.
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Mar 24, 2020 20:44:45 GMT -5
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Post by leeb on Mar 25, 2020 9:23:52 GMT -5
Sorry, but actually "you" are wrong. Flipping an image horizontally does not change "any" vertical dimensions of anything. The red lines would still intersect the image in the same places. They'd just have to be lengthened so as to reach all the way across to the opposite side of the image. putting your measurements up against Billy's foot opposite the rifle foot and continuing your lines would provide different results?
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 25, 2020 11:45:18 GMT -5
Leeb,
I don't see any noticeable difference in the vertical position of his right foot vs. his left foot. The results would be the same.
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Post by leeb on Mar 25, 2020 12:24:43 GMT -5
Leeb, I don't see any noticeable difference in the vertical position of his right foot vs. his left foot. The results would be the same. Wayne, your red line from the butt of the rifle, which clearly isn't from the floor position, if carried across will completely miss billy's over foot, not even getting close to his toes. Unfortunately a couple of plastic rulers just don't do it. And to save my time on other threads, tintypes get scratches.
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Post by Wayne Land on Mar 25, 2020 19:00:11 GMT -5
I don't know how to help you understand this any better than I already have. You somehow fail to understand. The line from the butt of the rifle is there to measure the rifle length, not the floor. The butt of the rifle is angled and the measurement has nothing to do with the floor position nor does it have anything to do with Billy's toe. I guess I give up on trying to clarify this. If you don't believe my graphic is worthwhile, if you believe I've made an error that makes Billy 5" taller than he should be, then I'm sorry I couldn't make it more clear to you. Scratches? What in the world would that have to do with any measuring of Billy's height?
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Post by The kid on Apr 3, 2020 9:54:09 GMT -5
Bushy bill was not Billy the kid....fact
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Post by Texas Truth Teller on Apr 3, 2020 10:43:10 GMT -5
Bushy bill was not Billy the kid....fact William "Billy the Kid" Bonney - Find a Grave Memorial ID #94
Oliver Pleasant "Brushy Bill" Roberts - Find a Grave Memorial ID #12809
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Post by Lieing Pat on Apr 3, 2020 12:17:39 GMT -5
Bushy bill was not Billy the kid....fact A "fact" indeed! And how do you think you can prove that fact?
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Post by leeb on Apr 3, 2020 13:26:50 GMT -5
Brushy 'fraud ' bill was born in Arkansas 1879,enough said
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Post by Wayne Land on Apr 4, 2020 12:16:31 GMT -5
Brushy 'fraud ' bill was born in Arkansas 1879,enough said That was Oliver Pleasant Roberts. Brushy was "not" Oliver Pleasant Roberts and no one has proven he was. Just like no one has proven he was BTK. So we all have our opinions. None of us can claim to know the facts either way. When you start claiming "facts" you need to be prepared to offer the proof.
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Post by leeb on Apr 4, 2020 13:57:38 GMT -5
That was Oliver Pleasant Roberts. Brushy was "not" Oliver Pleasant Roberts and no one has proven he was. Just like no one has proven he was BTK. So we all have our opinions. None of us can claim to know the facts either way. When you start claiming "facts" you need to be prepared to offer the proof. Sorry Wayne, you're totally wrong on this one. Everyone knows that placing the word "fact" at the end of a sentence automatically makes all of the preceding words true. sorry Wayne, your totally wrong on this one. Everyone knows that placing the words 'enough said 'doesn't incorporate the word fact.
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